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Topic: Same baptism, different mother??? (Read 447 times)
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PrueM
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I'm looking for the baptism of William OGILVIE in Birnie, Moray, around 1770.
I have found two references on the OPRs on Scotland's people, and the same two on the IGI, but I'm a bit confused.
The dates are the same, the fathers are the same (George OGILVIE) but the mothers' names vary:
Isabella KEY
Elisabeth HAY
With a bit of imagination the names sound similar; could they be the same event, transcribed twice because the handwriting on the original was dubious? I've looked for marriages between a George OGILVIE and anyone at all between 1740 and 1780, but there aren't any Georges who married anyone with a name like these two.
Could someone help me sort out what the story is?  
Thanks in advance 
Prue
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I live in NSW, and am researching:
BALFOUR (Derry) – BIGG (Kent) – BONSALL (DBY, NTT, CHS) – BRISBANE (Fife) – DANKS (STS) – DOBSON (BRK) – FRANCIS (ESS) – GOODE (HAM) – HAYNES (Cork) – INGRAM (MDX, SOM) – LANGWORTHY (Jersey, DEV) – MCKAY (Fife, Aberdeen, Banff, Moray, Inverness) – MORRISH (LND) – NANCARROW (CON) – OGILVIE (Moray, LND) – STRATHDEE (Banff) – SWAN (Fife) – WOOD (LND)
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MonicaLesl
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Hi Prue
Isabell and Elizabeth are variants of the same, see www.whatsinaname.net/php/search.php?action=search2&search_name=elizabeth
I can only think that there were transcriptions errors in respect of Key/Hay due to legibility.
Now as to whether her surname was actually Key or Hay....?
Regards.
Monica
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire.
Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll.
Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire.
Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan.
McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland.
Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland.
..........and lots of Spanish name interests........
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PrueM
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Thank you both for helping me to sort this out I did suspect that Isabella and Elisabeth were the same name. Now, as you say, I have to work out which surname is right!! 
Thanks again - much appreciated
Prue
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I live in NSW, and am researching:
BALFOUR (Derry) – BIGG (Kent) – BONSALL (DBY, NTT, CHS) – BRISBANE (Fife) – DANKS (STS) – DOBSON (BRK) – FRANCIS (ESS) – GOODE (HAM) – HAYNES (Cork) – INGRAM (MDX, SOM) – LANGWORTHY (Jersey, DEV) – MCKAY (Fife, Aberdeen, Banff, Moray, Inverness) – MORRISH (LND) – NANCARROW (CON) – OGILVIE (Moray, LND) – STRATHDEE (Banff) – SWAN (Fife) – WOOD (LND)
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PrueM
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Hello again
I am back, but none the wiser really - I can't find a marriage of George OGILVIE and Elisabeth/Isabelle HAY or KEY anywhere on Scotland's People...and I've tried leaving off first names, looking for one spouse at a time, soundex and wildcards...
I've also "lost" another marriage, in Morayshire, from around the same time (probably 1750-1770 ish). Just my luck!
Would appreciate any help trying to find the OGILVIE/HAY/KEY marriage!
Thanks in advance
Prue
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I live in NSW, and am researching:
BALFOUR (Derry) – BIGG (Kent) – BONSALL (DBY, NTT, CHS) – BRISBANE (Fife) – DANKS (STS) – DOBSON (BRK) – FRANCIS (ESS) – GOODE (HAM) – HAYNES (Cork) – INGRAM (MDX, SOM) – LANGWORTHY (Jersey, DEV) – MCKAY (Fife, Aberdeen, Banff, Moray, Inverness) – MORRISH (LND) – NANCARROW (CON) – OGILVIE (Moray, LND) – STRATHDEE (Banff) – SWAN (Fife) – WOOD (LND)
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trish251
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Hi Prue
Have you looked at your two index records on SP to see if they have the same reference number? This would indicate if they were pointing to the same physical record in a church register. There seem to be some siblings in the IGI batch with a few more variations
Margaret 1766 - parents George and Isobel Kay
David 1780 Georg and Isobel Hay
Another David - exactly 12 months later - George and Isobel Kay
I'm beginning to wonder if the scribe enjoyed too much wine 
If you can order the film from the LDS it could be interesting to check the actual registers.
I cannot see a marriage on the IGI and batches are certainly there for the parish of the births. Perhaps Isobel came from elsewhere - or they married in a dissenting church?
Trish
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PrueM
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Hi Trish,
Thanks for your ideas
The Scotland's People reference number is the same for both entries for the baptism of William Ogilvie, but it's just a GROS ref ("O.P.R Births 127/00 0001"). A bunch of non-matching entries also have the same reference number. I think it's safe to assume that Isabell and Elisabeth are one and the same, and as you say, someone had a few too many whiskies!
There is no marriage listed on SP that looks anything like what I need, so perhaps you're right about them marrying ex-establishment - would they then have baptised their children in the parish church?
THanks again for your help!
Prue
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Paper and Photograph Conservator
I live in NSW, and am researching:
BALFOUR (Derry) – BIGG (Kent) – BONSALL (DBY, NTT, CHS) – BRISBANE (Fife) – DANKS (STS) – DOBSON (BRK) – FRANCIS (ESS) – GOODE (HAM) – HAYNES (Cork) – INGRAM (MDX, SOM) – LANGWORTHY (Jersey, DEV) – MCKAY (Fife, Aberdeen, Banff, Moray, Inverness) – MORRISH (LND) – NANCARROW (CON) – OGILVIE (Moray, LND) – STRATHDEE (Banff) – SWAN (Fife) – WOOD (LND)
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trish251
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Hi Prue
Now I think about it - the reference is probably to a register page. I have checked family members in the census by looking at index entries with the same reference - they were thus on the same page.
I don't know alot about dissenting churches in Scotland - I think from small amounts I have read, you need a PHD to follow them all - but I have had folks married in one church and children baptised in another. I also have baptism/marriage records that have simply not survived - or were never recorded.
Sorry I can't help more.
Trish
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PrueM
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Thanks Trish
There's always some thoughtless ancestor in a branch, isn't there 
Ah well, back they go onto the backburner. One day something may turn up. I've got back further on that line that I thought I would, anyway, so am happy with that (for now! )
Much appreciated!
Prue
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Paper and Photograph Conservator
I live in NSW, and am researching:
BALFOUR (Derry) – BIGG (Kent) – BONSALL (DBY, NTT, CHS) – BRISBANE (Fife) – DANKS (STS) – DOBSON (BRK) – FRANCIS (ESS) – GOODE (HAM) – HAYNES (Cork) – INGRAM (MDX, SOM) – LANGWORTHY (Jersey, DEV) – MCKAY (Fife, Aberdeen, Banff, Moray, Inverness) – MORRISH (LND) – NANCARROW (CON) – OGILVIE (Moray, LND) – STRATHDEE (Banff) – SWAN (Fife) – WOOD (LND)
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