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Topic: Leatherbarrow - any connection? (Read 267 times)
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belgiumbird
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George Fogg born Ashbourne, Derbyshire 1855 we thought "married" Annie Leatherbarrow born Lancashire 1858.
We have no idea when or where, or if they indeed did marry at all. Lack of evidence points to the latter!
Their children Laura Anne born Ripley, Derbyshire 1883 (mother noted as Fogg formerly Fetherbarrow)
George Edward born Long Eaton Derbyshire 1884. (mother noted as Fogg formerly Leatherbarrow!)
Annie died giving birth to George Edward 1885 and Edward died a few months later.
George Fogg remarried in 1887 and was stated as a widower on his marriage certificate. (suggesting an earlier marriage!)
Bearing all this in mind, still looking for a marriage between George and Annie, even any evidence of Annie prior to 1883! The only Annie that can be place on Ancestry anywhere near the right time was still alive in 1901!
This one won’t go away I’m afraid Any help would be most appreciated. Thanks
Glenda
Ps I know Porkpiebaby has posted similar on the Lancashire/Derbyshire Roots – see how desperate we are! 
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belgiumbird
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Regrettably not  but thanks for checking and the reply. Glenda
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allibaker
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can you give us details of the second wife from marriage certificate and georges occupation that might help to find him.as present i only see the tailor already listed by pauline and a labourer.do not see a laura c 1883 either.
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alli
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allibaker
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 thanx tati
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belgiumbird
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Yes, thanks Tati you have come to my rescue again!  I'm trying to do the housework as well as watch this - it's a tad difficult! 
I think the emphasis has to be on Annie's 'maiden' name. We have come as far forward as we can with George. It's just unfortunate that on one child's birth certificate it states formerly Fetherbarrow (that is what it looks like) and on the other Leatherbarrow! Which seems more likely but who knows! I have even checked out Featherbarrow, only there doesn't seem to be to many of those around!
Glenda
Just did a spell check and it came up with Featherbrain for Featherbarrow ... ROFL Think that says it all! 
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belgiumbird
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Yes it's puzzling all right. Why would both children's birth certificates state that the mother was formerly ..... Also why would George say he was a widower on his 'second' marriage certificate!
In those days although frowned on, most birth certificates appear to have both parents names on, even though there was no marriage, or am I in correct with this theory!? 
So that brings us back to trying to find 'Annie Leatherbarrow' c 1856 or whatever she may be called 
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peterbennett
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Hi Glenda
Just a few observations.
Have I missed something here, your first post states
George Fogg born Ashbourne, Derbyshire 1855 we thought "married" Annie Leatherbarrow born Lancashire 1858.
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Bearing all this in mind, still looking for a marriage between George and Annie, even any evidence of Annie prior to 1883!
How do you come to the conclusion Annie was born in Lancashire. 
Quite often people were married with differant surnames than the one they were born with, mainly due to mother remarrying or adoption. It is unusual for them to change their forenames though.
As there is no evidence of a registered marriage (in England or Wales) of a George Fogg to any Ann (Annie) (Nancy) (Hannah) in the right timeframe you could rightly assume that there was no marriage. Unless it was in Ireland or Scotland.
Can you definitely identify your George Fogg in the 1881 census ? or is there a chance he was out of the country, Army maybe ?
The 1881 seems to show 3 G.F's born in or around the right place and time, the one with wife Mary E., another is with his brother Henry in Buxton and a horsekeeper, the other is a visitor in Staffordshire and a horse dealer, which one is yours ?
peterbennett
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belgiumbird
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Hi Peter,
The conclusion we think Lancashire is that
1) John, our George's father's sister Selina, was married to a John Shaw from Stockport, Lancs. Along with that theory, this horse dealer George Fogg, visits a family of 'Shaw's' - possible relationship here? But we are not a 100% sure the two go together, or that this George Fogg is ours but the other two don't tally at all!
2) Most Leatherbarrows seem to stem from that area. So basically ....
As for the army, my gut feeling says no! but worth investigation!
Glenda
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