Keith Sherwood
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Hi again, Everyone,
Further to a fairly recent (and very productive, thanks to lots of help on here) thread asking for possible details of the CARTER family in Melbourn in the 1861 Census - also traced back to London in the 1851 - I was wondering whether I could ask for help with the whereabouts of Joseph Walter CARTER in Melbourn in the 1871 Census. He is on his parents grave, having died in 1880 in his 41st year. His father Robert CARTER died in 1870, and I was wondering whether his son moved into the family home there called "The Lawn", or "Lawnes". (Mother Elizabeth CARTER would not have been on the scene, as she was incarcerated in a lunatic asylum in Kent...)
Very best wishes,
keith
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CaroleW
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You mention London in 1851 - as Joseph was b c 1839 - what was his actual birthplace?
The only Joseph Carter I can find in Cambridge was b 1841 Tilney St Lawrence Norfolk and was in the Union Workhouse. He is shown as a widower - occupation agricultural labourer
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Keith Sherwood
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Carole,
In the 1851 Census he is at school in Linton, Cambs, but in 1861 he is living with his brother Robert CARTER at 15-16 Minories, in London, when his birthplace is given as "London".
Maybe he was still in London in 1871, then, though the fact that he seems to be the only child buried with his parents Robert and Elizabeth in Melbourn, Cambs, made me think perhaps he might have moved there after his father died in 1870...
keith
Many thanks for looking, anyway!
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In 1851 his birthplace is shown as Chigwell Essex
Have you checked the deaths for 1880 to establish what area he died in?
He died in Thanet aged 40 September qtr 1880 Ref 2A 15
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Keith Sherwood
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Carole,
You've dug up a few surprises here, if indeed this is the same individual. I'm beginning to wonder who is actually buried in that grave in Melbourn now. Definitely his father, Robert, b. circa 1788/9; though I'm not at all certain that his mother Elizabeth would have been brought all the way from near Maidstone in Kent where she was in an institution for over 40 years. And now I'm puzzling over Joseph Walter if he apparently died in Essex.
Does it state "Chigwell, Essex" for his birthplace on that 1851 entry for James Walter as a 12-year-old pupil of that school in Horn Lane, Linton?
Essex may play a part that I hadn't so far realised for this family...
keith
p.s. Think I'll have to subscribe to Ancestry sooner rather than later to examine these original Census entries for myself!
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Sorry, Carole,
Just realised that Thanet is in Kent...!
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Hi
Yes - it is the same 1851 entry. Joseph Walter Carter age 11 b Chigwell Essex - Pupil - Horn Lane Linton
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Keith Sherwood
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Carole
Have just received your PM-ed image, and it's definitely Chigwell, Essex! A bit of a puzzler all this, but thanks SO much for all your help. Think I'm going to have to order that 1880 Thanet death certificate to see where exactly Joseph Walter died and what were the circumstances surrounding his (fairly) early death.
I feel there must have been some sort of CARTER family connection in Melbourn for him to have been sent away from home at school there in Horn Lane before the whole family moved there (minus his unfortunate mother) by the 1861 Census...
keith
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Hi again, Retiring Type,
Have done all my gushing thank you's on the thread I started earlier on Joseph Walter...
But into the spotlight comes this lady Blanche who is on her third husband by 1888. I'm sure there's a few femme fatales in fiction somewhere with a forename such as hers...
Lots for me to think about, and thanks so much again. Poor Joseph Walter appears on his parents' gravestone in Melbourn, Cambs - though cannot tell whether he was brought back from Ramsgate and interred there.
But I'd love to find out what eventually became of his son Robert Walter, and of course his mother Blanche...
keith
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Morning, Retiringtype,
Well, this Blanche character is getting more interesting by the minute/post. A thirty-nine year old widow choosing a 20-year-old for her third marriage. She must have been a stunner, or perhaps he was bit of a hunk. There never seems to be a dull moment with this CARTER family and its little offshoots.
And I'll certainly alert that webpage owner to the error.
I wonder whether the new Mrs Morson managed to produce any more offspring...?
And why has this thread gone so wide and large now?
keith
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You seem to have sorted that out now...
Off topic here, but as we're on the Cambs section, I notice you have ANGELL's in Cambs. If you ever want anything looking up on them at the CCRO, I do go there from time to time. PM me...
keith
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