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AmandaP
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Non Anglican Baptism Records
« on: Tuesday 26 September 06 02:20 BST (UK) »

Could someone please tell me if there is a way I can access non-anglican baptism records for the Kings Stanley - Stonehouse area between 1800 and 1840? I live in Australia so I can't go to the churches (or where ever they keep) their records and just look. Thanks.


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Re: Non Anglican Baptism Records
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 26 September 06 18:33 BST (UK) »

Hi

Gloucestershire Family History Society has Gloucestershire Nonconformist Register Transcripts on CD, included is Kings Stanley Baptist 1808-1836, Stonehouse Congregational 1824-1840, 1857-1896.

www.gfhs.org.uk

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Susan


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« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 26 September 06 19:10 BST (UK) »

Hello AmandaP

Susan has just drawn my attention to this thread because she thought I might have the CD she mentions. I don't as it happens, but they do have microfiche of some of the local non-conformist church registers at my local library. The registers covered are -
Avening Forest Green - Independent - Births & Baptisms - 1772-1815
Avening Upper Forest Green - Independent - Births & Baptisms - 1822-1837
Bisley France Meeting House - Independent - Births & Baptisms - 1782-1837
Bisley France Meeting House - Independent - Burials - 1785-1837
Deepend - Weslyan - Births & Burials - 1812-1823
Eastcombe Stroudwater - Baptist - Births - 1797-1824
Painswick Upper Chapel - Independent/Congregational - Births & Baptisms - 1780-1837
Pitchcombe - Independent - Baptisms - 1828-1837
Randwick Ebly Chapel - Countess of Huntingdon - Births & Baptisms - 1797-1837
Rodborough Tabernacle - Calvinistic Methodist - Births, Baptisms & Burials - 1762-1837
Stonehouse - Independent - Births & Baptisms - 1824-1840
Stroud Baptist - Baptist - Births - 1808-1837
Stroud Weslyan - Weslyan - Births & Baptisms - 1803-1837
Stroud Old Meeting - Independent - Births, Baptisms & Burials - Various 1712-1837

If these are any good, I'm happy to have a look for you when I next go (next Monday, hopefully)

Best wishes

Angela


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Re: Non Anglican Baptism Records
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 27 September 06 01:57 BST (UK) »

Hi Angela,

Thank you so much for the kind offer, it would be wonderful if you could look some details up for me.

I'm after the correct names of parents of John Gabb from Kings Stanley born in either 1807 or 1808, on his death certificate it says that his father was William Gabb but no mother is listed.

I'm after the parents of Hester Walkley from Kings Stanley born in 1804, all I know is that she had a brother Thomas. She didn't have her parents listed on her death certificate.

I'm guessing that your best bet is on the Stroud records for them?

I'm also after a birth date for John and Hester's children, William Gabb born in Stonehouse in 1828, Charles in 1832 and Emma in 1836.

Thank you again!!!

Best regards,
Amanda


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AngelaR
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Re: Non Anglican Baptism Records
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 27 September 06 13:40 BST (UK) »

Hi Amanda,

No worries - I'll see what I can find next Monday.

I was really disorganised this morning, otherwise I'd have read your post BEFORE dashing off to Gloucester and could have looked them up at the Record Office while I was there. Roll Eyes

Still, I now know what they've got there, so could have a browse there if I don't find anything hopeful in Stroud library.

I did wonder how you know your ancestors were non-conformists - is this family tradition, or just that they don't appear in the Anglican records?

Regards

Angela


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Re: Non Anglican Baptism Records
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 27 September 06 14:09 BST (UK) »

Hi Angela,

I found my ancestors listed here: http://www.gloucestershire.gov.uk/genealogy/Results.aspx

My Dad always thought they were Catholics but after investigating further I found that my branch of the Gabbs were only Catholic as a result of my Grandfather's mother. I have since found records here in Australia that suggest that William b1828 (my Grandfather's Grandfather) and his parents were Wesleyan Methodists.

My Grandfather's sister later became a Methodist although she was born a Catholic so maybe their father always was a Methodist too.

Thanks again!

Amanda


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Re: Non Anglican Baptism Records
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 27 September 06 16:16 BST (UK) »

Hi Amanda

Didn't you do well finding those Grin

It's ages since I looked at that website and it seems to have come on a lot.... Should be no problem at all getting the details, since you know the records actually exist. I'll get back to you as soon as I can - may be Friday but more likely Monday.

Best wishes

Angela


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Re: Non Anglican Baptism Records
« Reply #7 on: Monday 02 October 06 20:21 BST (UK) »

Hi Amanda

Well, I went to the library and guess what! Your ancestors weren't there Angry

I've tracked down which register John and Hesters children should be in and I'd need to go to Gloucester for that (should be in the next few days)

I think the big question is - were John and Hester's parents non-conformist as well, or was this the first generation..... While I'm looking for thechildren, I'll also look fo John and Hester. I couldn't find them in any of the Stroud/Stonehouse non-conformist registers I looked at, nor were they in Stonehouse Anglican. They could possibly be in Kings Stanley Anglican, so I'll have a look there as well.

I have a somewhat unexpected work commitment later this week, but should be able to get to Gloucester next Monday at the latest. Of course, if anyone else can get there sooner, they could also have a go.

Sorry no luck so far, but don't give up yet!

Regards

Angela


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AmandaP
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Re: Non Anglican Baptism Records
« Reply #8 on: Monday 02 October 06 23:23 BST (UK) »

Hi Angela

Thank you so much for your help and efforts, I really appreciate it.

I looked at a microfilm copy of the Kings Stanley Anglican register last week and couldn't find John Gabb on there. There were two Hester Walkleys, one baptised 26/9/1802 which I'm fairly certain is too early but her brother Thomas and two sisters were baptised at the same time, and the other 11/10/1807 which seems too late, although I guess she could have been baptised when she was 3 years old. Who knows, maybe the older one lied about her age later Wink

It gets frustrating when they all have the same name and are from the same area.

I can't confirm if John Gabb and Hester Walkley's parents were non-conformists, its only that I couldn't find a suitable match on www.familysearch.org and that they were non-conformists that I made that guess.

I guess any surrounding areas might be worth looking at, unfortunately I don't know Gloucestershire so I can't even make any suggestions.

Thanks again Angela!

Regards,
Amanda


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Re: Non Anglican Baptism Records
« Reply #9 on: Monday 23 October 06 12:22 BST (UK) »

Hi Amanda

Sorry about the long gap with no response - work hit a crisis and then I went away to recover Roll Eyes

Anyway, I'm back on the case and planning to go into Gloucester Record Office tomorrow. I'll have a good hunt around for John and Hester and their children and let you know what I find. At least we know definitely that the children are there at least Grin

I noticed that familysearch has John and Hester's marriage as taking place at Kings Stanley. Have you seen the register for that? What I'm thinking is that it was common for siblings to be witnesses, so might give us a few more clues, particularly for Hester. Also, if they were married by licence, the licence (if available) might also give more clues. If John was really born in 1807/8, he would have been under age at the time of the marriage, so parental conent would have been needed......

I'll look around and keep you posted

Sorry again for the delay

Best wishes

Angela


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Re: Non Anglican Baptism Records
« Reply #10 on: Monday 23 October 06 12:50 BST (UK) »

Hi Angela,

I hope everything is O.K at work for you now.

I haven't seen the actual film for John & Hester's marriage, I haven't had time to get to a family history centre to order it in recently, I've only viewed the listing on www.familysearch.org

I have been doing alot of thinking about John and Hester and think that theres a possibility that they might have lowered their ages when they applied for assisted immigration to Australia. I have since read that the application process was fairly stringent and the bulk of successful applicants were between the ages of 18 and 40, although they weren't quite 40 John and Hester must have thought they would have a better chance if they were slightly younger. I have a cousin who feels that our John is the John listed on www.familysearch.org baptised 3 Jul 1803. His father is William which matches. The age lowering theory matches Hester from 1802, Hester from 1807 doesn't appear to have a brother named Thomas.

I don't think that there's a licence, a lady from the Gloucestershire Council told me in an email that I had to rely on the Parish records prior to July 1837.

Thank you once again for your help Angela,

Best regards,

Amanda


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Re: Non Anglican Baptism Records
« Reply #11 on: Tuesday 24 October 06 17:29 BST (UK) »

Hi again Amanda

Well, I finally managed to get hold of the right records for John and Hester's children ( the record Office was incredibly busy today and I think the staff were trainees.....)

The registrations were at Kings Stanley Baptist Church.

All the children were recorded as being the children of John Gabb and Hester F. Walkley, with Hester's father's name given as Samuel (which narrows things down a bit...)
William born 8 Apr 1828
Charles born 3 Dec 1831
Emma born 15 Apr 1836

I couldn't check the Kings Stanley Anglican registers for Hester's baptism because they were on film, not fiche, and there was no film viewer available at the time. Angry

I did manage to check the marriage entry though, which was also useful as you'll see.

John Gabb married Hester Walkley on 15 Oct 1826 after Banns (pity!) John could sign his name but Hester couldn't and neither could the 2 witnesses Samuel Walkley and Martha Walkley.

It looks to me that they were both over 21 (no mention of parental consent but this isn't always entered) and the witnesses are usually siblings so the whole lot together ties up really well with Samuel and Elizabeth Walkley's children baptised at Kings Stanley from 1786 since there's a Thomas and a Martha and a Samuel as well as a Hester!

Looks to me as if the Kings Stanley film could well be worth ordering.....

Not sure about John's ancestors - I suppose it depends if he and Hester were converts or whether his family was Baptist. It certainly looks as if Hester's was Anglican. Also, if you mean the 1803 christening at Cam, it's quite a distance from Kings Stanley, so I would advise reserving judgement a bit there! If John's family were Baptists the chances of finding him are a bit slim as the records are very patchy Roll Eyes

Anyway, hope this helps a bit

Best wishes

Angela


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AmandaP
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Re: Non Anglican Baptism Records
« Reply #12 on: Tuesday 24 October 06 23:06 BST (UK) »

Hi Angela,

Thank you so much for your time and help, I really appreciate it! The dates and witness names are a great help.

Not to worry about the Anglican film for Hester, I looked at it myself not too long ago through one of the IGI family history centres.

Thanks again & best wishes

Amanda


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Re: Non Anglican Baptism Records
« Reply #13 on: Wednesday 25 October 06 07:38 BST (UK) »

Quote from: AngelaR on Tuesday 24 October 06 17:29 BST (UK)

if you mean the 1803 christening at Cam, it's quite a distance from Kings Stanley, so I would advise reserving judgement a bit there! If John's family were Baptists the chances of finding him are a bit slim as the records are very patchy Roll Eyes

Hi Angela,

Just out of curiosity, how far is it from Kings Stanley to Dursley, I have a map and I'm just trying to work distances etc

Thanks and regards,

Amanda


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Re: Non Anglican Baptism Records
« Reply #14 on: Wednesday 25 October 06 12:53 BST (UK) »

Hi Amanda

Its about 9 miles by the most direct route (over the edge of the Cotswold escarpment) or a bit more round by the river valleys. A significant but quite achievable walk

Was John connected with the wool trade? The 2 valleys - one through Stonehouse and the other through Dursley - marked, if I remember rightly, the 2 main areas comprising the Stroudwater district, which was dominated by the woollen mills and their related weavers.

What I was wondering was whether the Record Office held any kind of historical employment records or perhaps John was well enough off to pay land tax (unlikely). When did they emigrate?

Best wishes

Angela


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