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Topic: Looking for a lost boat (Read 1427 times)
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Patsy Beech
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Can anyone please help me to find the name of a ship that was lost on 18th November, 1893 off the coast at Dounreay?
I have recently discovered a relative, Luke Fidler, who was lost at sea, and on reading the death record I noticed there were several other men lost on the same day. What it does not give is the name of the ship, or indeed if they were all on the same vessel, but the description is the same for each man.
"1893 November eighteenth. At sea off the coast of Dounreay in the Parish of Reay in county of Caithness." Why I have put this message on the Aberdeen board is the 'usual address' given for each man was Aberdeen. All deaths were registered on information of James Bains, Procurator Fiscal, on either 13th or 16th January, 1894.
The men were:-
Thomas Urquhart, Apprentice Fireman (Single) 24 Clarence Street, Aberdeen, Male, 22 years,
John Turnbull, Ships Cook (Married) male, 29 years, Aberdeen
William Terwee? Fisherman (Married) male, 40 years, Aberdeen
William Isaac Stevenson, Seaman, (Married) male 32 years, Aberdeen
Frederick Balland, Fireman (Married) male 20 or 26 years? 11 Queen Street, Aberdeen
Luke Fidler, Engineer (Married) male, 30 years, 2 Garnock Wynd, Aberdeen
As the deaths were registered on information from the Procurator Fiscal does that mean they were never found?
Is there any chance of finding the name of the boat? I think it might have been a fishing boat from Aberdeen, but that is only a guess.
Also I have not found such a place as Garnock Wynd on an Aberdeen map, any ideas where that might have been? Other addresses I have for Luke are 5 Bannermill Street on 1891 census, and Canal Terrace on his daughter Margaret's birth registration on 18th May, 1893. This means she was only six months old when he died. I suspect that Bannermill might be a more 'up-market' area now a days, than it was in 1891 - am I right?
All suggestions gratefully received.
Patsy
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All census lookups are Crown Copyright from www.nationalarchives.gov.ukBarnes, Berry, Curry, Freeman, Jeffels, Nipper, Robson, Shiel, Stokell, Thompson, Urquhart, (County Durham) Elstob, Fidler, Hunter, Strong (Northumberland) Acus, Bayes, Beech, Bell, Bird, Blaskett, Blatchly, Byatt, Daly, Farmer, Fricker, Hartelbury, Voullaire-Campbell (London) Berry, Graham, Urquhart (Scotland) Thompson, McCullough (County Down, Ireland) |
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JustJean
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Hi Patsy
Just read your request and can only imagine a disaster of that nature most certainly would have been written up in the local newspaper. I'm not familiar with just which paper that might be for that area but I'm certain someone will come along and give you some more advice.
In my own research I've been able to find news articles of two different deaths by drowning and neither of them were nearly as dramatic as this sounds!
Best wishes
Jean
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goggy
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Patsy.
Just "Googled"news1893 Caithness,there are a few starting point's for you,which I am not going to go wandering about in!!
Happy hunting,
Goggy.  
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mitchell
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Hi Patsy,
The Local Studies libary in Aberdeen hold all the local newspapers of that time and should be able to help you. The contact address is
Aberdeen Library and Information Services:
Local Studies,
Central Library,
Rosemount Viaduct,
Aberdeen City Council.
AB25 1GW.
Tel: 01224 652512
Fax: 01224 624118
LocalStudiesLibrary[at]aberdeencity.gov.uk
I must admit that I've never heard of a Garnock Wynd in Aberdeen but it could be another of the little streets that have disappeared during modernisation so you could try asking the staff at the library about that one 
There is a redeveloped area down near the beach here of luxury apartments that is called Bannermill so I think that this would have been where Bannermill Street was as it doesn't show up on the maps of today. I checked on http://www.old-maps.co.uk/ and could only find Bannermill Place not Street.
Elaine
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Patsy Beech
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Dear Jean, Goggy & Elaine,
Thank you very much for your helpful ideas and information. I am now going to contact the Local Studies at the Central Library, and give good old 'Google' a go.
Sorry I did not reply sooner today, but I have just returned from a trip to Newcastle (from Essex) to visit some wonderful living relatives I found through my family searching. You never know where the trail leads, but the results can be great.
Thanks again,
Patsy
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All census lookups are Crown Copyright from www.nationalarchives.gov.ukBarnes, Berry, Curry, Freeman, Jeffels, Nipper, Robson, Shiel, Stokell, Thompson, Urquhart, (County Durham) Elstob, Fidler, Hunter, Strong (Northumberland) Acus, Bayes, Beech, Bell, Bird, Blaskett, Blatchly, Byatt, Daly, Farmer, Fricker, Hartelbury, Voullaire-Campbell (London) Berry, Graham, Urquhart (Scotland) Thompson, McCullough (County Down, Ireland) |
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Patsy Beech
RootsChat Senior
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Just an up-date on my 'Google' finds.
On the website regarding Bronze Royal Humane Society Medals taken from the annual report for 1893 and compliled by Bill Fevyer I found this entry -
HENDERSON, Henry - case 26896
At great personal risk, rescued W.C. Ballard from drowning at Dounreay, near Caithness on 17th November, 1893.
(The weather must have been very bad for several days)
http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk~tamarnet/bronz93s.htm
Not sure if that link will work because I can't find the correct ~ to put into the address! However Google can do the work for you. It is a very good site to find people who were either the rescuer or the rescued, and most years are covered between 1891 to 1917. The rescues come from all around the world.
Happy Searching.
Patsy
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All census lookups are Crown Copyright from www.nationalarchives.gov.ukBarnes, Berry, Curry, Freeman, Jeffels, Nipper, Robson, Shiel, Stokell, Thompson, Urquhart, (County Durham) Elstob, Fidler, Hunter, Strong (Northumberland) Acus, Bayes, Beech, Bell, Bird, Blaskett, Blatchly, Byatt, Daly, Farmer, Fricker, Hartelbury, Voullaire-Campbell (London) Berry, Graham, Urquhart (Scotland) Thompson, McCullough (County Down, Ireland) |
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ED2005
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I once researched an ancestor from Aberdeen lost at sea. I found the date of his burial on a headstone, as you did. As a previous Rootschatter mentioned, Aberdeen City Library has all the local newspapers on microfiche - The Press and Journal (or The Aberdeen Journal as was) and the Evening Express.
There were lengthy reports as to the missing ship, the search and the aftermath to the poor families who were left. The ship was the S.S. State of Georgia, lost off Newfoundland.
I have also recently been in Wick, at the North Highland Archive. They hold the original John O'Groats Journal and Caithness Courier newspapers, though not on microfilm, but they do have a card index to events in the papers I think.
It might be another place to look...
Best wishes
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Patsy Beech
RootsChat Senior
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Hi Ed
Thank you very much for your help with places to search for information, and you are spot on with the address because I have now had another look at the death register and the letter which I thought was an 'N' is in fact a 'V'. So the address is 2 Garvock Wynd.
Sorry I did not reply sooner, but I am having trouble with the spell check on this website as my pop-up blocker won't let it through, and then my reply was wiped clean!
Best Wishes,
Patsy
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All census lookups are Crown Copyright from www.nationalarchives.gov.ukBarnes, Berry, Curry, Freeman, Jeffels, Nipper, Robson, Shiel, Stokell, Thompson, Urquhart, (County Durham) Elstob, Fidler, Hunter, Strong (Northumberland) Acus, Bayes, Beech, Bell, Bird, Blaskett, Blatchly, Byatt, Daly, Farmer, Fricker, Hartelbury, Voullaire-Campbell (London) Berry, Graham, Urquhart (Scotland) Thompson, McCullough (County Down, Ireland) |
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Patsy Beech
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Hi it's me again!
Just had another look at the records of death for the men lost on the 18th November, and the one I called Frederick Balland, could well be Frederick Ballard! That could possibly mean the W.C. Ballard who was rescued might be his brother and therefore might have been on the same ship.
Just in case any Ballard's are looking for their family the rest of the death register gives Frederick's parents as Joseph Ballard, Sea Captain and Helen Ballard, maiden surname White.
Happy searching,
Patsy
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All census lookups are Crown Copyright from www.nationalarchives.gov.ukBarnes, Berry, Curry, Freeman, Jeffels, Nipper, Robson, Shiel, Stokell, Thompson, Urquhart, (County Durham) Elstob, Fidler, Hunter, Strong (Northumberland) Acus, Bayes, Beech, Bell, Bird, Blaskett, Blatchly, Byatt, Daly, Farmer, Fricker, Hartelbury, Voullaire-Campbell (London) Berry, Graham, Urquhart (Scotland) Thompson, McCullough (County Down, Ireland) |
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Patsy Beech
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Hi Folks,
Just to let you know that after visting the Wick Library, while on holiday in Scotland, the very helpful staff there found the name of the ship I was searching for. It was called the "Dauntless" and was an iron trawler powered by steam. It is listed in the book"A Comprehensive Record of Maritime & Aviation Losses in Scottish Waters" by Ian G. Whittaker. ISBN 0953197700. Published by C-ANNE Publishing, Edinburgh.
The Captain's name was Ballard, and although the ship had sailed from Aberdeen it was registered in North Shields where it had been built in 1883.
The John O'Groat Journal, dated Friday November 24th 1893, gives graphic details of the event and how after the ship's engine had failed she drifted along the north Scottish coast until she was 'lifted on the crest of a tremendous wave and driven with a crash on an outlying rock, and immediately sunk' off the coast at Dounreay. Seven men were drowned, and only the captain was saved by the incredible bravery of Mr. Henderson.
A HUGE BIG THANK YOU TO THE STAFF AT THE WICK LIBRARY.
Patsy
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Delboy953
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Hi Patsy
I am a descendant of the Ballard family and have information that could be useful if you are still looking. Send me a message and I will dig out what I have for you.
Regards
Delboy
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