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BAC3
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Hello,
Hopefully someone will be able to help me.
During the years 1845-1849 five particular convict ships, "Thomas Arbuthnot", "Joseph Somes", "Maitland", "Marion" and the "Eden",
transported approximately 500 "Exiles" to Port Phillip who were ex-juvenile convicts from Parkhurst Prison on the Isle of Wight. If anyone has life history knowledge of any of these individuals after disembarking I would love to hear from you.
My interest is that I am researching for a PhD on Parkhurst Prison between 1838-1864 and am in a position to be able to exchange reasonable information for any of these 500.
In anticipation
Tony Cocks
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tropicalj
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Hello
I would suggest ou would have allready scoured the internet but I will post this up for you anyhow
http://www.prov.vic.gov.au/archivesvictoria/recordimages/00110/00110-P00001-viewer.html?00110-P0000-000001,300,2,S
regards jenn
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Research names or areas: I live in Thuringowa/Townsville Queensland, Australia and I am researching TOWNSEND,PINNEGAR, STRANGE, PULLEN, GRIFFIN from Wiltshire,ADAMSON from NSW, BAYLEY from Dorset,Yorkshire, HAIR from Durham, CUMMINS, BROWNLESS from Yorkshire, SHOEBRIDGE, BRINDLE from Kent, EDSALL from Cornwall, BRYAN from Staffordshire,MORGAN, HENNESSY, BAKER from Ireland, VAN REYK, DE LA HARPE, from Sri Lanka Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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BAC3
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Jenn,
Thank you for the link below, but as you thought "been there and got the sweat shirt".
Sadly you will note the response has been disappointing which has been the story of my researches in Victoria......and especially as I lived for 6 years in Melbourne too, but in those days a PhD was the furthest thing from my thoughts!! Never mind.
Thanks once again
Tony
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tropicalj
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http://www.gsv.org.au/
hello there
this is a link to the Victoria Genealogy Society may be they might be of some help to you
regards Jenn
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Research names or areas: I live in Thuringowa/Townsville Queensland, Australia and I am researching TOWNSEND,PINNEGAR, STRANGE, PULLEN, GRIFFIN from Wiltshire,ADAMSON from NSW, BAYLEY from Dorset,Yorkshire, HAIR from Durham, CUMMINS, BROWNLESS from Yorkshire, SHOEBRIDGE, BRINDLE from Kent, EDSALL from Cornwall, BRYAN from Staffordshire,MORGAN, HENNESSY, BAKER from Ireland, VAN REYK, DE LA HARPE, from Sri Lanka Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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BAC3
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Hello Jenn
I have advertised through various genealogical magazines and had limited success, but my sum total of completed Biographies is 35 out of the total 500 boys transported to Port Phillip. RootsChat was one of the last avenues I discovered.
My difficulty is that with similar advertising in WA I now have over 200 Biographies from 340 boys transported and am at loss to understand why there has been such a differing response between the two States.
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Tony
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gennig
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Hi Tony
As they weren't actually convicts, the "Exiles" are listed on the Assisted passenger Indexes which is online on the PROV website.
having a quick look at couple of those listed on DPS site. I checked Vic indexes and came up with the following, from the "Joseph Somes"
Francis RUSHBROOK died 1893 aged 65 in Geelong. Father listed as Jeremiah
He married first Frances WRAY in 1851 at Geelong and then Her sister Emily WRAY in 1876
Their children were born in and around Geelong.
William JERROME married Anne O'CONNOR in 1854.
William seems to have lost the "E" off the end, as most of their children are born under JERROM. William is possibly the William JERROM who died in Narrandra NSW in 1892. Father listed as William.
His wife Anne died in South Melbourne in 1889.
John CUNDELL married Eliza BRISBANE in 1854.
John CUNDILL died 1871 aged 42 birthplace: Scotland
Joseph PINE married Hughina MCKAY/MACKAY in 1862. Their children appear to be born in the HEXHAM
Samuel RAWLE (born: Bristol) married Ann BOSWELL registered in 1851 and 1874
George WORT (born: Birmingham) married Charlotte MORTON nee WILLMETT in 1864.
Regards
Genni
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******************************************* All census look up transcriptions are Crown copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk******************************************* Surnames: Armstrong, Gray, Greco, Lambden, Le Busque, Beaton, Carron, Pitt, Gould Areas: Victoria, Tasmania, Hampshire, Berkshire, Yorkshire, Fermanagh, Glamorgan |
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BAC3
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Hello Genni,
"How did you do that"!!!!
I have had quite a lot of correspondence with the PROV over the past eighteen months and more or less been told that "my type of research will not produce results".........hence there have been no suggestions as to links etc. Now your posting proves that some headway can be made. Can you let me into the secret??
There are several sources I use to produce my Biographies and one of the most reliable has been Keith Clarke's "[u][/u]Convicts of the Port Phillip District" to give me some indication as to their initial whereabouts after disembarkation.......it is beyond that point I have difficulties, although I have documented Frank RUSHBROOK.
Oh to live in Melbourne again, to be able to visit the archives.........but it is 12,000 miles away!!
I am very grateful for you showing me a possible chink in the "research curtain".
For now
Tony
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BAC3
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Hello Genni,
Forgot to mention.........born in Glamorgan (my sister still lives there) and now live in Hampshire, two of the areas of interest to you. Anything I can research with either shall be delighted to help.
Regards
Tony
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gennig
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Hi Tony
Glad I could give you some information. I make regular visits to the State Library and less regular visits to the PROV.
I have the Vic Indexes as do many of the other rootschatters. I was not sure what actual information you are seeking or already had. We can search the indexes for you but need the list of names.
I will check the Passenger lists on Fiche when I go to the Library. Now days you can actually copy them on to CDrom, so I'll see how I go.
The trouble with the PROV is they don't do searches, you need to go there.
I found a Thomas TOSSOL marrying Barbara BARNWALL in 1864. Died 1868 aged 35, parents: Unknown. Wondered if that might be Thomas TOSSILL/TOSSELL who arrived aged 16 on "Joseph Somes"
If you wish information on any of the children of the couples i've posted let me know.
Regards
Genni
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******************************************* All census look up transcriptions are Crown copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk******************************************* Surnames: Armstrong, Gray, Greco, Lambden, Le Busque, Beaton, Carron, Pitt, Gould Areas: Victoria, Tasmania, Hampshire, Berkshire, Yorkshire, Fermanagh, Glamorgan |
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BAC3
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Hello Genni,
All this is great detail, simply because I can begin to create at least 6 more Biographies (Francis RUSHBROOK was already partially finished). Names, ages (DOBs) for the children would be extremely helpful in making a more rounded, personalised life history........I have tried using the IGI online facility, and the CD-ROM "Australian Vital Records Index", but because ages etc. are rarely cited it is difficult to be certain you have the correct person. The other major area of research is to ascertain whether or not they re-offended but where there is "family picture" it is not necessarily so important.
The names of those transported from Parkhurst Prison are specifically recorded on the Convicts to Australia website under the appropriate ship:
(1) "Thomas Arbuthnot"
http://members.iinet.net.au/~perthdps/convicts/park8.html ;
(2) "Eden" change park8 to park12;
(3) "Maitland" change park8 to park7;
(4) "Marion" change park8 to park10;
(5) "Joseph Somes" change park8 to park9.
I wonder whether it would useful for me to take, say for example George WORT, and draft a standard formatted Biography for him which would then allow me more opportunity to show you exactly how much information I have and explain what I am trying to do. This would probably best be achieved if we could correspond directly by email....mine is ..........at Southampton University........and (time for confessional) I am not absolutely sure how to pass such detail via RootsChat!!!
Anyway, do please let me know......I am quite excited, for with your help today I have increased my Port Phillip BIography portfolio by approximately 15%!!!
I can only thank you
My regards
Tony
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tropicalj
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hello there Tony
please remove your personal email address you are leaving your self open to scammers and such ask folk to PM you and then give them your persanol email
a suggestion from me might be that we rc's could at least do lookups when time allows for the names of the lads and give you info ie when married and died etc but that info would only be from the indexs of course and a lot of suppositions would occur. It might be best to save doubling up that maybe a volunteer could do each ship
I will put my hand up to do one of them for you
regards jenn
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Research names or areas: I live in Thuringowa/Townsville Queensland, Australia and I am researching TOWNSEND,PINNEGAR, STRANGE, PULLEN, GRIFFIN from Wiltshire,ADAMSON from NSW, BAYLEY from Dorset,Yorkshire, HAIR from Durham, CUMMINS, BROWNLESS from Yorkshire, SHOEBRIDGE, BRINDLE from Kent, EDSALL from Cornwall, BRYAN from Staffordshire,MORGAN, HENNESSY, BAKER from Ireland, VAN REYK, DE LA HARPE, from Sri Lanka Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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Hello again Tony
there is a site in Australia called "first Families"
I was looking at the boys who came on the "Marion" the very first one
Robert Archman one of his family has him on this site it is soemthing for you to follow on with
I hope this link will work for you
http://pandora.nla.gov.au/pan/10421/20041220/www.firstfamilies2001.net.au/firstfamilyc249.html?id=Archman1682224379
i have traced him on the indexs so have reference numbers if you need them
regards jenn
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Research names or areas: I live in Thuringowa/Townsville Queensland, Australia and I am researching TOWNSEND,PINNEGAR, STRANGE, PULLEN, GRIFFIN from Wiltshire,ADAMSON from NSW, BAYLEY from Dorset,Yorkshire, HAIR from Durham, CUMMINS, BROWNLESS from Yorkshire, SHOEBRIDGE, BRINDLE from Kent, EDSALL from Cornwall, BRYAN from Staffordshire,MORGAN, HENNESSY, BAKER from Ireland, VAN REYK, DE LA HARPE, from Sri Lanka Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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BAC3
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Hello Jenn
Just a quick note......how do I remove my email address please?
There has been some wonderful information posted this morning and I shall come back later today once I have had the chance to read it all and digest the contents.
Thank you so much for all your help
Regards
Tony
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hey there Tony
go to that message and click on modify then delete the address
regards jenn
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Research names or areas: I live in Thuringowa/Townsville Queensland, Australia and I am researching TOWNSEND,PINNEGAR, STRANGE, PULLEN, GRIFFIN from Wiltshire,ADAMSON from NSW, BAYLEY from Dorset,Yorkshire, HAIR from Durham, CUMMINS, BROWNLESS from Yorkshire, SHOEBRIDGE, BRINDLE from Kent, EDSALL from Cornwall, BRYAN from Staffordshire,MORGAN, HENNESSY, BAKER from Ireland, VAN REYK, DE LA HARPE, from Sri Lanka Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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