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Topic: Who has ancestors moving from NFK to Hull in 1840s (Read 1199 times)
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Nick Carver
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I have three brothers in my tree who moved to Hull from Norfolk (Bramerton) in the 1840s, two to work in the docks and one on the railways. The daughter of one married the son of someone else who moved from Norfolk at about the same time. Perhaps those from Norfolk mixed socially or maybe there were pockets of these people living in close proximity?
I know a lot of people moved to Hull as it became harder to earn a living off the land and industrialisation took hold, but would like to know who else has ancestors following a similar route.
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E Yorks - Carver, Steels, Cross, Maltby, Whiting, Moor, Laybourn
W Yorks - Wilkinson, Kershaw, Rawnsley, Shaw
Norfolk - Carver, Dowson
Cheshire - Berry, Cooper
Lincs - Berry
London/Ireland/Scotland/Lincs - Sullivan
Northumberland/Durham - Nicholson, Cuthbert, Turner, Robertson
Berks - May
Beds - Brownell
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Bee
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My grandfather and his sister moved from Norfolk, Wicklewood area, to Hull area between 1871 & 1881. The sister's future husband and some of his siblings had already made the same move. Most seem to have kept there Norfolk occupations of ag labs & gardeners.
I had noticed when trawling thorugh the census that there were a lot of people from Norfolk in the Hull area
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Dinsdale, Ellis, Gee, Goldsmith,Green,Hawks,Holmes, Lacey, Longhorn, Pickersgill, Quantrill,Tuthill, Tuttle & Walker, in E & W Yorks, Lincs, Norfolk & Suffolk. Census information is Crown Copyright from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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Rena
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My grandfather's family were born in Norfolk too. Grandfather and his brothers used to come annually to Hull for seasonal work on the docks in the very early 1900's. Two of the brothers met local girls and stayed. Neither of them worked on the docks after WWI. I don't think working on the docks was much better than ag.labs. as work wasn't guaranteed but the wages were better. A great congregation of labourers would gather at the dockyard gate waiting for the tallyman to appear. He would then choose as many men as he'd been told to get and the rest hung about all day. Some lucky men would get a 'tally' (a numbered tag which allowed you to walk through the gates) for several days work. In the 1960's around 10,000 men would be crowded around various gates along the 7 miles of docks.
Rena
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Germany: Flamme,Ehlers, Bielstein, Germer, Mohlm, Reupke
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Bee
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Under his son the business became T.S. Annison undertakers, which is still a going concern.
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Slightly 'off topic' but I had my wedding cars from Annisons'
Bee 
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Dinsdale, Ellis, Gee, Goldsmith,Green,Hawks,Holmes, Lacey, Longhorn, Pickersgill, Quantrill,Tuthill, Tuttle & Walker, in E & W Yorks, Lincs, Norfolk & Suffolk. Census information is Crown Copyright from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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Bee
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I didn't realise they do wedding cars too. I hope you didn't find an unexpected guest having a bit of a lie down in the back!
I don't think they do now but they did in 1972 and no unexpected guests  mind you I never looked in the boot 
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Dinsdale, Ellis, Gee, Goldsmith,Green,Hawks,Holmes, Lacey, Longhorn, Pickersgill, Quantrill,Tuthill, Tuttle & Walker, in E & W Yorks, Lincs, Norfolk & Suffolk. Census information is Crown Copyright from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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Hunnyb22
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Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
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Hi...Slightly off the subject.
The docks hadn't changed much upto late 1960's either. I remember my dad having to queue up for the tallyman to wait for work, if he was unlucky then he was classed as "dinting" meaning he got a very low wage as opposed to the working wage, which, around that time, was about £10-£13 a week depending on your age. I can't remember what the lowest wage was, I was only a kid at the time.
Hunnyb22
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Nick Carver
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My grandad and his two brothers worked at John A Scotts before WWII. One of the tasks on my rather lengthy 'to do' list is to find out if there are any records for Scotts in the city archive. Their brother who was KIA in WWI worked at Reckitts for whom there is a wealth of information.
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E Yorks - Carver, Steels, Cross, Maltby, Whiting, Moor, Laybourn
W Yorks - Wilkinson, Kershaw, Rawnsley, Shaw
Norfolk - Carver, Dowson
Cheshire - Berry, Cooper
Lincs - Berry
London/Ireland/Scotland/Lincs - Sullivan
Northumberland/Durham - Nicholson, Cuthbert, Turner, Robertson
Berks - May
Beds - Brownell
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Hunnyb22
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Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
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Hi Nick...What a coincidence? After WW2 my dad worked for a firm called Gilliott and Scott up until the late 60's, I wonder if the two are connected? I know Scott is a common name, but both connected with dock companies?
Kind regards
Hunnyb22
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Roger The Hat
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I know I'm a bit late, but I've only just started tracing my wife's family as a retirement project. It appears that a whole family of Bubbings (her GGGrandfather Robert) moved to Hull from Ludham, in Norfolk, in the late 1850's. They were wheelwrights, coachbuilders and painters.
And to think I hated History at school....
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Hunnyb22
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Hi Roger The Hat...It's a different kind of history though isn't it? This time it relates to your family.
I found these on the LDS website, I know the name differs to your's but it was how it was heard by the enumerator.
Charles BUBBINGE Husband (Head) M Male 35 Ludham, Norfolk, England Wheelwright
Eliza BUBBINGE Wife M Female 42 Ludham, Norfolk, England Formerly Dressmaker
Sarah BUBBINGE Daur Female 12 Ludham, Norfolk, England
William BUBBINGE Son Male 10 Ludham, Norfolk, England
Robert BUBBINGE Son Male 4 Hull, York, England
Kind regards
Hunnyb22
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Roger The Hat
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Thanks for responding so quickly - I just assumed that, as it is an old thread, my first post might be overlooked.
I had seen the Bubbinge family, but thought that because of the different spelling.......
It probably won't be my last mistake!
I'll have to get down the Library tomorrow and check the censuses (censi?)
for alternates.
Oops. Dinner time.
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Hunnyb22
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Hi Roger The Hat ...Most of the spellings on these sites and records are as the enumerator heard them. Many people couldn't read or write in those days, so wouldn't have been able to correct any errors.
We all make mistakes but hopefully, can correct them before it's too late (like following one family tree only to discover much later that we're not connected at all  ).
Good luck with your search.
Kind regards
Hunnyb22
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Roger The Hat
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Thanks for the encouragement, Hunnyb22.
Something that's puzzling me is what we call The Bubbings Conundrum:
I have Robert F. Bubbings, 27, Wife Christiana, 26 (1871 census, Holderness)
Robert F. Bubbings, 37, Wife Clara, 34 (1881 census, Holderness)
Robert F. Bubbings, 47, Wife Christiana, 45 (1891 census, Drypool)
The children don't match, either.
Surely that's not a mistake, the names are too dissimilar.
Would he have divorced Christiana, married Clara, then remarried Christiana?
Could he have a double? Was he a bigamist?
Have you come across anything like this before? I'd really value an experienced opinion.
Thanks.
(My son's just turned up, and he wants his laptop back. I'll have to pick this up at the Library, tomorrow. Bye).
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