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Topic: Robert Laurie & Janet Lyons (Read 3505 times)
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Bikers Moll
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The above are the parents of my great grandfather, William Laurie who I think was born in 1837 in Gatehouse of Fleet. Other than the date of marriage of Robert and Janet (also know as Jane) which took place in 1834 in the Parish of Girthon, I've been very unlucky (so far) of finding out much more about the pair of them. Both Robert and Jane(t) were shown as deceased on William's marriage certificate in 1882 - Robert's occupation was shown as Mine Manager
Would appreciate anyone else searching for these two getting in touch.
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MonicaLesl
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Hi Bikers Moll
Welcome to RootsChat!
The family is showing in the 1851 Census available to view free on line at www.dumgal.gov.uk/historicalindexes/census.aspx. It would seem that Janet wife and mother of William may have died by this date, given the ages of most of the children and Robert may have remarried a lady called Agnes?
LAURIE Agness, wife of Robert Laurie, 28, born Girthon Kbt
LAURIE Anne, daughter of Robert Laurie, WEAVER cotton, 14, born Girthon Kbt
LAURIE Elizabeth, daughter of Robert Laurie, 9, born Girthon Kbt
LAURIE John, son of Robert Laurie, MINER 16, born Girthon Kbt
LAURIE Margaret, daughter of Robert Laurie, 1, born Girthon Kbt
LAURIE Robert, head, MINER, 38, born Girthon Kbt
LAURIE William, son of Robert Laurie, 12, born Girthon Kbt
Address: 4 Swan Street, Village of Gatehouse(866)
Parish: Girthon Household No: 4/57
I also noticed there were Laurie families living at No.1 and No.3 Swan Street who may be related to Robert.
On IGI, there are only two children showing for Robert Laurie and Janet Lyons and the names and ages would correspond with the 1851 Census entry:
1. ANN LOURIE Christening: 20 MAR 1836 Girthon, Kirkcudbright, Scotland
2. ELIZABETH LAWRIE Christening: 28 NOV 1841 Girthon, Kirkcudbright, Scotland
Regards.
Monica
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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Gadget
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Also welcome 
I see that you've been here since 2004 so you're and old hand 
The IGI had a possible baptism for Robert. It is a wee bit earlier than the 1851 suggests but census ages are not always accurate:
9 June 1808, Gatehouse. Parents John Laurie and Catherine Porter.
It is a patron submission so this would have to be checked against the Scotland's People site.
www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk
It would also be worth following up the family that Monica has foundin 1851 in later censuses. You would then be able to get a better approximation of Roberts death and obtain his death cert. This would show his parents.
All this is available on the SP site. It is pay to view but very reasonable and, unlike the Eng & Wales certs, the Scottish ones can be viewed and downloaded for about 6 units (1 unit = 20p).
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Bikers Moll
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Also welcome I see that you've been here since 2004 so you're and old hand The IGI had a possible baptism for Robert. It is a wee bit earlier than the 1851 suggests but census ages are not always accurate: 9 June 1808, Gatehouse. Parents John Laurie and Catherine Porter. It is a patron submission so this would have to be checked against the Scotland's People site. www.scotlandspeople.gov.ukIt would also be worth following up the family that Monica has foundin 1851 in later censuses. You would then be able to get a better approximation of Roberts death and obtain his death cert. This would show his parents. All this is available on the SP site. It is pay to view but very reasonable and, unlike the Eng & Wales certs, the Scottish ones can be viewed and downloaded for about 6 units (1 unit = 20p). Gadget |
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Bikers Moll
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Oh dear, I screwed up. Gadget, I did join a couple of years ago then lost the thread. Today decided to "join" rootschat and discovered that my email address was current (I'm not a blonde - honest) but am rapidly becoming more and more "senior). So had to ask for a password reset
Excuse me, but how do I reply to two messages? The earlier one from yours makes sense but I don't know how to reply to two messages (or am I asking the impossible)?
I'm impressed at the very fast response - and have been offline for a wee while because OH took me out for a very nice dinner!
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Bikers Moll
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Hi Bikers Moll Welcome to RootsChat! The family is showing in the 1851 Census available to view free on line at www.dumgal.gov.uk/historicalindexes/census.aspx. It would seem that Janet wife and mother of William may have died by this date, given the ages of most of the children and Robert may have remarried a lady called Agnes? LAURIE Agness, wife of Robert Laurie, 28, born Girthon Kbt LAURIE Anne, daughter of Robert Laurie, WEAVER cotton, 14, born Girthon Kbt LAURIE Elizabeth, daughter of Robert Laurie, 9, born Girthon Kbt LAURIE John, son of Robert Laurie, MINER 16, born Girthon Kbt LAURIE Margaret, daughter of Robert Laurie, 1, born Girthon Kbt LAURIE Robert, head, MINER, 38, born Girthon Kbt LAURIE William, son of Robert Laurie, 12, born Girthon Kbt Address: 4 Swan Street, Village of Gatehouse(866) Parish: Girthon Household No: 4/57 I also noticed there were Laurie families living at No.1 and No.3 Swan Street who may be related to Robert. On IGI, there are only two children showing for Robert Laurie and Janet Lyons and the names and ages would correspond with the 1851 Census entry: 1. ANN LOURIE Christening: 20 MAR 1836 Girthon, Kirkcudbright, Scotland 2. ELIZABETH LAWRIE Christening: 28 NOV 1841 Girthon, Kirkcudbright, Scotland Regards. Monica |
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Gadget
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Lucky old Liz. Nearest up here is an hour's drive away 
You could just reply as one message, e.g.
Monica ----- xyz
Gadget ---- xyz
If you want to quote, you will see under the reply message box a list of previous messages, with an 'insert quote' in the top right corner - just click that and type your reply. Then, before pressing send, insert the other quote and reply to that. Then press 'send'
You can also edit out bits of the quote but I think we're getting into the 'How to use Rootschat'. Try that board for lots of tips
Gadget
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Bikers Moll
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Got a "warning" that while I was typing there was a reply - totally flummoxed - at least for a while. I do hope I'm not doing this totally wrongly.
Gadget, I have a feeling that you're either psychic or psychotic - I do need to check out what I'm doing and thank you for the tip to the "how to".
I am, honestly, totally a newbie to this board - my forays in the past have been via Rootsweb email boards and my one time try at this was - not aborted so much as didn't get back to trying again. I won't be so shy in the future - nothing ventured, nothing gained and Monica has certainly given me food for thought.
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Gadget
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Well I'm not psychotic  I have been told by many that I am psychic, so we'll agree to that, eh
You'll get used to RC and all the messages. it's really very logical.
Think you should register with Scotlands People though - if you haven't already.
Gadget
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Bikers Moll
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Thank you Gadget, I'll settle for psychic too. I have registered with Scotland's people (but haven't yet found the deaths of either Jane(t) or Robert).
No doubt when I get to my father's maternal side that will be more of a problem - they're Wallaces - and yes, dad does (or did, he is still alive but now suffering from Alzheimer's) say he was descended from Sir William and that it had been proven - he couldn't though give me documented proof. Oh, by the way, the claim was before the Alzheimer's - he did say that one of the family who had come "back from Canada" had traced the family - way, way back. I'll wait for my own proof first but when I told my son (who also now lives in Canada) that father said he was descended from Sir William, my son told his boss about the theory and she said to him "oh how great, you're a relative of Mel Gibson" - hmmnnnn - if Gibson were his real name it might be possible BUT ....
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Gadget
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As Jane/Janet - probably Jean as well - possibly died before 1855, you won't find a death reg for her. Scottish Registration began in 1855 not 1837. Forgive me if you knew that. It might be worth your while looking at Pam's postings at the top of the Scotland - General board:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,24468.0.html
I do have the Girthon MIs but if there was no tombstone then she won't be listed. I'll have a look.
If you post the names, dates, etc. of the KKD ancestors then we'll all be happy to help you find them. I've got masses of stuff and there are some good online resources as well.
How close are you to an LDS Family History Centre?
Gadget
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Bikers Moll
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I believe there is an LDS FHS in Carlisle but I also believe that it's only open when I'm at work - although I could, hopefully, sort something out for my holidays.
I have to say, I'm totally impressed at the amount of pointers offered and the welcome - thank you very much, I really do feel wecome and no-one has made me feel as though I'm "butting in"
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Gadget
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I don't think anyone is regarded as 'butting in' on Rootschat. You might have felt that on other fora but here we're mostly a happy, friendly bunch who try to help each other when we can
Incidentally - I found about your date of joining by clicking on the small box with the profile face in it under your name - it's a shortcut to your profile, which gives the date of joining, your user name, posting info, etc., etc.
See - I'm not even psychic
Gadget
PS - checked the Girthon and Kelton MIs - no sign of Laurie or Lyon(s)
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Bikers Moll
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Ha - clicking on small boxes is not really psychic is it - however, I'll still go with the psychic.
Yes, have had a bit of bad experience on other boards (not totally traumatic by any means and besides which, too long in the tooth for "trauma" in this context) but some boards can make you feel like an outsider. This one certainly hasn't, I already know that I won't be asking "stupid questions" - not knowing the answer doesn't make a question stupid.
My research, mostly, has been on my mother's English side - relatively new to Scottish research. However, am learning and hopefully, with pointers, will learn more and more. I have a fair bit on the Wallace side (thanks to research by family /recently still in Scotland - although I haven't met them in person, and nowhere near tracing dad's "related to Sir William" ). Granda's Laurie's though, at this point, seem elusive but after tonight, maybe they're not.
I believe I have committed the cardinal sin of pooh poohing what was before my own eye (or at least, I may have done) I had seen the census information that Monica pointed out but I did say to myself "wrong wife" - can't be mine. It really didn't occur to me that Jane(t) could have died earlier and those children were to a second wife - doh!!!
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Gadget
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Hi
I've had a look on SP for the death of a Robert Laurie (with variations) between 1855 and 1882. And then on the 1861 census. Nothing comes very close except a namesake in New Abbey who was a farmer with wife Isobel 
So it looks like your Robert died 1851 -1855.
Gadget
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