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charlotteCH
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The GILL family below emigrated to USA sometime between 1891 UK census where I have found them in Blackburn, Lancashire, and 1900 when I understand they are on the US census.
By 1910 I believe Ann is in the Pawtucket RI census as a widow.
I can't find the family on Ellis Island site but maybe they entered through Boston.
Can anyone help me find them in 1900 census please? That will tell me where they lived initially in USA and maybe help me find Hargreaves GILL's death. Any later census info is very welcome also!
Also can someone direct me to where I'd look up marriages for these "children"?
I'm pretty much a newbie at US family history so guidance & help are much appreciated.
Thank you,
charlotte
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Hargreaves GILL b Accrington 1845
Ann GILL b Salterforth b.1846
William GILL b 1873
John Hargreaves GILL b 1875 West Derby
Mabel GILL b 1878 Liverpool
Ellen GILL b 1880 Liverpool
Hargreaves GILL b 1881 West Derby
Jane GILL b 1884 Blackburn
Mary L. GILL b 1886 Blackburn.
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HARGREAVES, HANSON, BAILEY, BURTON, HEWITT, JAGGER, LOCKWOOD, UTTLEY, MIDGLEY, RUDD, TAYLOR, HOLDEN, SHAW Halifax / Sowerby/ Southowram 18C+
GILL, Accrington, Blackburn, West Derby, Lancs, migrated USA 1891 to RI: GILL in SC: HOTCHKISS in RI: PELOQUIN in RI
HUMPHRIES, HILLIER, ALLEN, LYDBURY Nunney/Frome 18-19C
HUMPHRIES, BIGFORD, JOYCE, HEWITT, ROBINSON, McMULLEN, SUFFEL, CARNEY, MARRON, COMPTON, FREEMAN Ont. Canada 1830+
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YvonneR
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Hi Charlotte
For a start here they are in 1900, living at 210 Carnation Street, Pawtucket Ward 1, Providence, Rhode Island
Head, Hargreaves Gill, born Mar 1846, age 54, married for 30 years, born England, both parents born England, immigration year 1891 9 yrs in US naturalized, occupation Chemist
Wife, Ann, born Feb 1850, age 50, married for 30 years, 8 children 7 living, born England and both parents born England, immigration year 1891
All children born England and immigration year 1891
William, born May 1874, age 26, occupation Overseer Cotton mill
John H, born Sept 1875, age 24, occupation Carpenter
Mable, born Nov 1877, age 22, occupation Weaver Tape mill
Mary E, born Feb 1880, age 20, occupation Weaver Tape mill
Hargreaves, born Oct 1881, age 18, occupation apprentice Carpenter
Jane, born Sept 1883, age 16, occupation Inspector Yarn
Mary H, born Oct 1885, age 14, at school
Will give more info shortly
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Charlotte
In 1910, living at 194, Carnation Street, Pawtucket Ward 2, Providence, Rhode Island
Ann is now shown as widowed. Living in the household is Jane and Mary only plus a boarder, Fanny L Janeh? (transcribed as Sanch), age 50 born England, immigration year 1875.
I have found the three male children who are living with their families
William, age 35, wife Ada age 31, born England, immigration year 1899, children Hargreaves, age 6, Edith age 4 and William age 1 2/12, all born Rhode Island and also in the household is sister in law Jane Hinchcliffe, born England immigration year 1907. Thet are living in Pawtucket Ward 1, Providence, Rhode Island
John H, age 32, wife Mary age 27, born England immigration year 1904, children John H age 2 and Lillian age 1 6/12 are living in Pawtucket Ward 1, Providence, Rhode Island
Hargreaves, age 28, wife Sarah age 25 born Massachusetts and son Charles age 1 month born Rhode Island are living in Pawtucket Ward 3, Providence, Rhode Island
Mabel is possibly married, I will try to narrow down possibilities
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New York Passenger list
SS Wyoming, departing Liverpool and Queenstown Ireland, arriving New York 12th August 1891
Destination Providence, RI
Ann Gill, age 46
John, age 13
Wm, age 16
Mabel, age 11
Lilly, age 10
Hargreaves, age 7
Jane, age 4
Mary L, age 3
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charlotteCH
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Hullo again Agnes,
What a surfeit of riches you have delivered. Thank you so much. It all fits together. Hargreaves GILL had been a manufacturing chemist in Lancs and had sold a patent and then was in the Uk census 1891 as "living on own means"- and with 7 kids. I guess life in Blackburn Lancs might have been a bit murky so they all set off for USA. And I am told Pawtucket is/was a cotton milling town.
Thank you also for finding the son's marriages and their offspring- getting the next generation's names is such a bonus.
You are most kind. Thanks,
charlotte
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HARGREAVES, HANSON, BAILEY, BURTON, HEWITT, JAGGER, LOCKWOOD, UTTLEY, MIDGLEY, RUDD, TAYLOR, HOLDEN, SHAW Halifax / Sowerby/ Southowram 18C+
GILL, Accrington, Blackburn, West Derby, Lancs, migrated USA 1891 to RI: GILL in SC: HOTCHKISS in RI: PELOQUIN in RI
HUMPHRIES, HILLIER, ALLEN, LYDBURY Nunney/Frome 18-19C
HUMPHRIES, BIGFORD, JOYCE, HEWITT, ROBINSON, McMULLEN, SUFFEL, CARNEY, MARRON, COMPTON, FREEMAN Ont. Canada 1830+
82nd Regt of Foot 1808-1825
1st WRY Militia 1780-1808
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Hi Charlotte
Visitors arrived! So had to leave it for a little while 
I'm glad to be of help
Tried to find as much info as possible so.....
In 1920
William and Ada are living at 75 Hawes Street, Central Falls, Providence, Rhode Island
In the household is Hargreaves, Edith, William and another son Harry age 8. Jane Hinchcliffe (sister in law) is still with the household
Hargreaves Gill age 38 and wife Sarah age 34 are living at 43 Church Street, Westborough, Worcester, Massachusetts.
Two sons, Russell ? age 9 and Wendell age 4 4/12 both born Massachusetts.
In 1930
Cannot find William or Ada at the moment
Hargreaves Gill age 48 (transcribed as Hargrewen) is living with wife Sara age 44, son Charles, age 20 bn Rhode Island, son Wendell R, age 15 bn Massachusetts and son Roger L age 9 born Massachusetts. Hargreaves occupation is Manager Tape mill.
They are living in Greenville, South Carolina
I cannot find John and Mary in 1920 or 1930 but in 1920 I have found a John age 11, Lillian age 9 and an Helena age 7 living in the Rhode Island Catholic orphan Asylum, Providence Ward 6, Providence, Rhode Island  
I have found a Mabel Gill born about 1878 in 1920 and 1930, she is shown as sister in law to Edward Hotchkiss and wife Ellen
The details for 1930 are:
Living at 58 Wilcox Avenue, Pawtucket, Providence, Rhode Island
Edward L Hotchiss, age 52, owns home, value $9,150, has a radio, first married at age 35, born Rhode Island, father born Connecticut, mother born Massachusetts, occupation Superintendent Cemetery
Wife, Ellen, age 50, first married age 33, born England, both parents born England, immigration year 1890 naturalized.
Sister in law, Mabel Gill, age 52, single, born England, both parents born England, immigration year 1890 naturalized, occupation Weaver Electric mill
This fits well for Mabel and I am just wondering if Ellen is Mary E on the 1910 census, what do you think?
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You have sharp eyes and brain Agnes. That Ellen in 1930 census is Hargreaves GILL's daughter Ellen [or Nellie] born 1880 England looks correct. So Mabel didn't marry or at least not before 1930. The only slight misfit is that her year of immigration is stated as 1890 when it was in fact 1891. But that could be a trascription error.
Indeed you have found them.
Is Edward Hotchiss the Superintendent of the Cemetery? Presumably the pawntucket cem.
That may give a lead to places of some family burials.
The one sad thing is about John &mary- they must have died. But why on earth would the rest of the family leave the kids to be put in an orphanage? Unbelievable. And the family doesn't seem to have been broke.
That orphanage probably has records....Every answer produces a string more questions with family history.
This is being written when i should be asleep- can't think what blurry state I'll be in tomorrow but after all you had found earlier today I couldn't stop thinking about it and go to sleep.
You are a great detective-
Thanks,
charlotte
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HARGREAVES, HANSON, BAILEY, BURTON, HEWITT, JAGGER, LOCKWOOD, UTTLEY, MIDGLEY, RUDD, TAYLOR, HOLDEN, SHAW Halifax / Sowerby/ Southowram 18C+
GILL, Accrington, Blackburn, West Derby, Lancs, migrated USA 1891 to RI: GILL in SC: HOTCHKISS in RI: PELOQUIN in RI
HUMPHRIES, HILLIER, ALLEN, LYDBURY Nunney/Frome 18-19C
HUMPHRIES, BIGFORD, JOYCE, HEWITT, ROBINSON, McMULLEN, SUFFEL, CARNEY, MARRON, COMPTON, FREEMAN Ont. Canada 1830+
82nd Regt of Foot 1808-1825
1st WRY Militia 1780-1808
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Hi Charlotte
I'm not 100% sure about the young Gill children being yours but I certainly haven't found any of them in 1920 apart from this even though I have searched for mis-spellings as well as just on first names. I will try some more though to make absolutely sure!
I also have an Uncle who was in an orphanage from 1932 when my Grandmother died, his father was still alive and my paternal family were quite wealthy and in fact a Great Uncle was a member of the "Knights of Colombus" who did much charity work for orphan's. So, I guess we will never know why these unfortunate circumstances came about.
Don't worry too much about the immigration year being out a year or two, the enumerator worked this out on the information given at the time. Now that you have mentioned Ellen, I feel much happier that this is in fact your Mabel.
I will see if I can wheedle out some more info from the databases, Anc...ry has Birth, marriage and death Rhode Island databases but nothing came up in my searches but I will try entering information in a different way and see what we come up with.
I have had a few hours break, so hopefully starting afresh will turn something up!
Talk later
Agnes
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Hi Charlotte
Here is the information from the 1920 census for Ellen and Mabel
Living at 62 Garden street, Pawtucket Ward 4, Providence, Rhode Island
Edward Hotchkiss, (transcribed as Hatchbriss) age 49, born Rhode Island, father born New york, mother born Vermont, Manager tape mill
Wife Ellen, age 38, immigration year 1891, naturalized 1913, born England
sister in law, Mabel Gill, age 42, immigration year 1891, naturalized 1896, born England, occupation Weaver Cotton mill
We now know that the name is "Hotchkiss" because I have found Edward's WWI draft Index card
Registration Location, Providence County, RI, Draft Board 2
Edward Lester Hotchkiss, 62 Garden St, Pawtucket, RI
Age 39, born June 26 1879, white and native born
Occupation, Manager at the Windsor Webbing Co., Beveridge Hill Ave., Pawtucket, RI
Nearest relative, Mrs Ellen Hotchkiss (wife)
Height Tall, Build Stout, Blue eyes and Brown hair
I have also found Edward's WWII Draft card
Pawtucket, Rhode Island
Edward L Hotchkiss, Place of residence and mailing address 58 Wilcox Ave., Pawtucket, RI
Tel; P 6661, age 62, place of birth Pawtucket RI, date of birth June 26 1879
Name and address of someone who will always know your address, Mrs Ellen Hotchkiss
Employer, Cooley Inc., Privet St., Pawtucket, RI
5ft 10ins, Ruddy complexion, Gray hair, blue eyes
Date of registration April 27 1942
Found John H Gill in Rhode Island directory, Providence 1912 address 86 Plainfield
Found a Rhode Island directory entry for Ellen for Providence 1959
Hotchkiss Ellen (wid Edw) 36 Summit av
died April 24 1958
in 1958 she is just entered as "Hotchkiss Ellen h36 Summit av
So I am not absolutely sure whether it means that it is Ellen or Edward who died in 1958, I do not have a great deal of experience with the directories. The most recent entry for Edward is 1945
Hotchkiss Edwd L (Ellen) formn h 58 Wilcox av
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Agnes,
Thank you again. I've just logged on so have not absorbed all the new info yet. And there is a wonderful heap of it.
Looking around US resources to try to get some bearings myself I came across an entry "Ada GILL b 1879 d 1960 PW005 " This looks like the Ada Hinchcliffe that William Gill married. Foolishly I didn't note the source but I think it was SSDI. My question is- do you know what the PW005 refers to and how do I take it further? Is it searchable online? Do you know what personal info the SSDI yields? Sorry so many questions.
Will get back to you when i have worked through your latest finds- I feel I should address you as Detective Chief Inspector!
Thanks,
charlotte
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HARGREAVES, HANSON, BAILEY, BURTON, HEWITT, JAGGER, LOCKWOOD, UTTLEY, MIDGLEY, RUDD, TAYLOR, HOLDEN, SHAW Halifax / Sowerby/ Southowram 18C+
GILL, Accrington, Blackburn, West Derby, Lancs, migrated USA 1891 to RI: GILL in SC: HOTCHKISS in RI: PELOQUIN in RI
HUMPHRIES, HILLIER, ALLEN, LYDBURY Nunney/Frome 18-19C
HUMPHRIES, BIGFORD, JOYCE, HEWITT, ROBINSON, McMULLEN, SUFFEL, CARNEY, MARRON, COMPTON, FREEMAN Ont. Canada 1830+
82nd Regt of Foot 1808-1825
1st WRY Militia 1780-1808
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Hi Charlotte
You did make me laugh  I think pig headed is a better description  I hate giving up until I have squeezed every bit of info out!
The "PW005" in your message, refers to the cemetery, which in this case is Oak Grove Cemetery - Providence County, Rhode Island.
I would think that you were searching "The Rhode Island Historical Cemeteries Transcription Project"
http://www.rootsweb.com/~rigenweb/cemetery/index.html
Here is the description of the cemeteries
http://members.tripod.com/~debyns/pw_ceme.HTM
Unfortunately Ada isn't in the SSDI but you can search the index at Rootsweb for others in your family
http://ssdi.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/ssdi.cgi
It isn't as up to date as Anc* but is one of the few documents filled out by the person themself. Death records are made by the survivors and errors/omissions are common.
You can order a copy of the original Social Security application. It can take about a month or so to get it but with luck, it may have some great clues for relatives. There is a form letter you can print out, just put in the name. Once it comes up, the option to print the letter is on the far right side. I think it is $27 for the copy.
I will be back in a while searching but have to get my daughter out of bed, she is due back at UNI in a hour or so but in the meantime, I did find a little more before I finishes last night.
Finally found Jane in 1930 only up to now!
St Elizabeths Home, Melrose Street, Providence, Rhode Island
Jane Gill, Nurse, age 45, born England, both parents born England, immigration year 1891 naturalized
SSDI
Jane Gill, last Residence, Providence, Rhode Island
born 23rd September 1883
died February 1966
and found these entries in the directories
Massachusetts City Directory, 1931
Gill Hargraves, h 43 Church
Gill Russell, student, r 43 Church
Gill Wendell, student, r 43 Church
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Hullo Agnes,
Thank you for all that info and also for the URLs. They were a great help.
The cemetery site and yielded both William GILL and wife Ada in Oak Grove Cem. Their birth dates given on the cem. listing agree with other cross reference dates for them. William died 1932, Ada 1960.
Have been working on the SSDI but not come up with any that really fit properly.
Re the Mass 1931 Directory: what do you think "h" means after Hargreaves Gill's name? and "r" after each of his son's names?
Also do you think "church" is the name of the street and that they lived at # 43 Church St? No suburb is mentioned which leaves it very wide open.
Hargreaves Gill certainly got around. In 1930 census he's with the family in South Carolina- then in 1931 in Mass. The boys were listed as students so maybe that is the answer as universities abound there.
Thank you again and I hope you managed to wake up the sleepy head.
charlotte
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HARGREAVES, HANSON, BAILEY, BURTON, HEWITT, JAGGER, LOCKWOOD, UTTLEY, MIDGLEY, RUDD, TAYLOR, HOLDEN, SHAW Halifax / Sowerby/ Southowram 18C+
GILL, Accrington, Blackburn, West Derby, Lancs, migrated USA 1891 to RI: GILL in SC: HOTCHKISS in RI: PELOQUIN in RI
HUMPHRIES, HILLIER, ALLEN, LYDBURY Nunney/Frome 18-19C
HUMPHRIES, BIGFORD, JOYCE, HEWITT, ROBINSON, McMULLEN, SUFFEL, CARNEY, MARRON, COMPTON, FREEMAN Ont. Canada 1830+
82nd Regt of Foot 1808-1825
1st WRY Militia 1780-1808
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Hi Charlotte
Firstly, regarding the Massachusetts Directory, the city is "Westboro" and h is for home and r for residents who are related to the homeowner. I have checked the entry and as there are only the names, I am sure that it is Street.
I also checked the cemetery index and I was thinking that if you do not get a positive response to your new message, maybe you could ask for help at the RAOGK website.
http://www.raogk.org/rhodeisland.htm
The difficulty is that there doesn't appear to be an address for Oak Grove Cemetery (having tried to google it) and I am wondering if it is still in use or even renamed
Well, good luck and I hope someone is able to help!
Agnes
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