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Arbroath Poorhouse
« on: Wednesday 11 October 06 11:47 BST (UK) »

Anyone know were I can find info. re Arbroath Poorhouse c 1904?  Trying to track down information and David KERNAGHAN below.
Name:   David KERNAGHAN
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Birth:   1826   Ireland.
Death:   10 8 1904   Poor House, Arbroath.1
Occupation:   Labourer at Starch Works.
Father:   William KERNAGHAN (1792-1868)
Mother:   Agnes FITZSIMMONS (1798-1876)
Spouse:   Jane TOPPING
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Birth:   1834   Ireland
Death:   27 3 1893   25 West Grimsby, Arbroath, Angus.2
Father:   John TOPPING
Mother:   Elizabeth WIGHTON

Children:
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1 M:   James KERNAGHAN
Birth:   1852   Arbroath, Forfar.
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2 M:   William KERNAGHAN
Birth:   22 7 1857   Applegate, Arbroath, Forfar.3
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3 M:   David KERNAGHAN
Birth:   1860   Arbroath, Fofar.


Notes for David KERNAGHAN
1861 Census recs.
Dwelling: 27 Marketgate
Census Place: Arbroath, ANS.
David KINEHAN, head, marr., 35, mason's labourer, IRL.
Jane Topping KINEHAN, wife, marr, 27, IRL.
James, son, 9, scholar, ANS, Arbroath.
William, son, 4, ANS, Arbroath.
David, son, 1, ANS, Arbroath.
1871 Census recs.
Dwelling: 48 High St.
Census Place: Arbroath, ANS.
David KERMATH, head, marr., 43, labourer, IRL.
Mary J Topping  KERMATH, wife, marr., 41, IRL.
David KERMATH, son, 11, scholar, ANS, Arbroath.
1881 Census recs:
Dwelling: 39 Ladybridge Street
Census Place: Arbroath, Forfar, Scotland
David KERMATH M 54  M Ireland   Rel: Head   Occ: Gen Lab
Jane Topping KERMATH M 49  F Ireland   Rel: Wife
1901 Census recs.
Dwelling: 29 Brechin Rd. Poor House.
Census Place: Abroath, ANS.
David KERNAGHAN, patient, widr., 76, general labourer, Ireland.



Notes for Jane TOPPING
1861 Census: 27 Marketgate, Abroath, ANS, Jane Topping KINEHAN, wife, marr, 27, IRL.
1871 Census: 48 High St., Arbroath, ANS, Mary J Topping KERMATH, wife, marr., 41, IRL.
1881 Census: 39 Ladybridge Street, Arbroath, ANS, Jane Topping KERMATH M 49  F Ireland   Rel: Wife



Notes for James (Child 1)
1861 Census: 27 Marketgate, Abroath, ANS, James, son, 9, scholar, ANS, Arbroath.



Notes for William (Child 2)
1861 Census: 27 Marketgate, Abroath, ANS, William, son, 4, ANS, Arbroath.



Notes for David (Child 3)
1861 Census: 27 Marketgate, Abroath, ANS, David, son, 1, ANS, Arbroath.
1871 Census: 48 High St., Arbroath, ANS, David, son, 11, scholar, ANS, Arbroath.


Sources
1. Death cert. No.238
David KERNAGHAN, general labourer, widr. Jane TOPPING
d.1904, Aug 10th, Poor House, Arbroath, ANS, age 80. 
f.William KERNAGHAN, seaman, decd. 
m.Nancy KERNNAGHAN, ms FITZSIMMON, decd. 
cod.cerebral haemorrhage. 
sign.Andrew MINTO, House Governor.   
reg.1904, Aug 12th, Arbroath, ANS
2. Death cert. No.131
Jane KERNAGHAN, marr. David KERNAGHAN, general labourer
d.1893, Mar 27th, 25 West Grimsby , Arbroath, ANS, about 60.
f.John TOPPING, linen weaver, decd. 
m.Elizabeth TOPPING, ms WIGHTON, decd. 
cod.? excrescence & anaemia
sign.David KERNAGHAN, widr.
reg.1893, Mar 27th, Arbroath, ANS
3. Birth cert. No.372
KERNIGHAN William
b.1857, Jul 22nd, Applegate, Arbroath, ANS.
f.David KERNIGHAN, labourer at starch work.
m.Jane KERNIGHAN, ms TOPPING.
sign.David KERNIGHAN, father.
reg.1857, Jul 25th, Arbroath, ANS

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Last Modified:   11 10 2006
Created:   11 10 2006

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Family names:SPINK (WRY), GOODWIN (DBY), PRATT (SCT & WRY), WILDGOOSE (DBY), STRETTON (LEI & DBY), MARTIN(ANS), NICOLL(ANS), McKENNA(TYR), STRAIN(DON), WALLACE(FIF), RAE(STI), PENMAN(STI) & CAPPIE(ELN).
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Re: Arbroath Poorhouse
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 14 October 06 20:02 BST (UK) »

Have you looked at
www.workhouses.org.uk

This is a site about workhouses and the like and there are a lot of links from the pages.

On another note I see you have the name Topping in your query, I have a relation with "Topping" as their middle name. They lived, at the time, in the same area as your relative........ Marketgate & Ladybridge St


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Arbroath, St Vigeans, Auchmithie...names Beattie,Eaton,Spink,Smith,Keir, Shepherd, Cargill
Dunnichen/Farnell names...Weir,Addison, Anderson, Rodger
Aberdeenshire...names Stephen,Kemp,Wallace,Davidson,Sellar,McLeman.
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« Reply #2 on: Saturday 14 October 06 20:15 BST (UK) »

many thanks.  I don't have much info. on the KERNAGHAN-TOPPING connection but I do know that the KERNAGHANs were from County Down, Ireland.

Name:   John TOPPING
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Occupation:   Linen Weaver.
Spouse:   Elizabeth WIGHTON
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Children:
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1 F:   Jane TOPPING
Birth:   1834   Ireland
Death:   27 3 1893   25 West Grimsby, Arbroath, Angus.1
Spouse:   David KERNAGHAN


Notes for Jane (Child 1)
1861 Census: 27 Marketgate, Abroath, ANS, Jane Topping KINEHAN, wife, marr, 27, IRL.
1871 Census: 48 High St., Arbroath, ANS, Mary J Topping KERMATH, wife, marr., 41, IRL.
1881 Census: 39 Ladybridge Street, Arbroath, ANS, Jane Topping KERMATH M 49  F Ireland   Rel: Wife



Sources
1. Death cert. No.131
Jane KERNAGHAN, marr. David KERNAGHAN, general labourer
d.1893, Mar 27th, 25 West Grimsby , Arbroath, ANS, about 60.
f.John TOPPING, linen weaver, decd. 
m.Elizabeth TOPPING, ms WIGHTON, decd. 
cod.? excrescence & anaemia
sign.David KERNAGHAN, widr.
reg.1893, Mar 27th, Arbroath, ANS

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Last Modified:   5 2 2003
Created:   14 10 2006

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Family names:SPINK (WRY), GOODWIN (DBY), PRATT (SCT & WRY), WILDGOOSE (DBY), STRETTON (LEI & DBY), MARTIN(ANS), NICOLL(ANS), McKENNA(TYR), STRAIN(DON), WALLACE(FIF), RAE(STI), PENMAN(STI) & CAPPIE(ELN).
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« Reply #3 on: Saturday 14 October 06 20:30 BST (UK) »

Would you have anything re:West Grimsby St?
Unable to find them on the 1891 Census & only found 3 children.  I'm sure there's more children somewhere. The KERNAGHAN name has several spellings and that could be the problem.


Dave

ps my mum was a SPINK
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Family names:SPINK (WRY), GOODWIN (DBY), PRATT (SCT & WRY), WILDGOOSE (DBY), STRETTON (LEI & DBY), MARTIN(ANS), NICOLL(ANS), McKENNA(TYR), STRAIN(DON), WALLACE(FIF), RAE(STI), PENMAN(STI) & CAPPIE(ELN).
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« Reply #4 on: Sunday 15 October 06 00:18 BST (UK) »

That area of Arbroath has been run-down for a long time and has been redeveloped in part. I will send you a picture later today. Any others if you wish.

I have no information on the names you have. Have you visited the local website. They have a Family Tree forum. You never can tell. The site is here :- www.theshoppie.com

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Arbroath, St Vigeans, Auchmithie...names Beattie,Eaton,Spink,Smith,Keir, Shepherd, Cargill
Dunnichen/Farnell names...Weir,Addison, Anderson, Rodger
Aberdeenshire...names Stephen,Kemp,Wallace,Davidson,Sellar,McLeman.
Have an extensive history for McLeman.
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« Reply #5 on: Sunday 15 October 06 08:41 BST (UK) »

many thanks.   Smiley
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Family names:SPINK (WRY), GOODWIN (DBY), PRATT (SCT & WRY), WILDGOOSE (DBY), STRETTON (LEI & DBY), MARTIN(ANS), NICOLL(ANS), McKENNA(TYR), STRAIN(DON), WALLACE(FIF), RAE(STI), PENMAN(STI) & CAPPIE(ELN).
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« Reply #6 on: Sunday 15 October 06 10:37 BST (UK) »

The images as promised.


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Arbroath, St Vigeans, Auchmithie...names Beattie,Eaton,Spink,Smith,Keir, Shepherd, Cargill
Dunnichen/Farnell names...Weir,Addison, Anderson, Rodger
Aberdeenshire...names Stephen,Kemp,Wallace,Davidson,Sellar,McLeman.
Have an extensive history for McLeman.
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« Reply #7 on: Sunday 15 October 06 10:41 BST (UK) »

Looking up to the top of the street. West Port is the one with the shops


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Arbroath, St Vigeans, Auchmithie...names Beattie,Eaton,Spink,Smith,Keir, Shepherd, Cargill
Dunnichen/Farnell names...Weir,Addison, Anderson, Rodger
Aberdeenshire...names Stephen,Kemp,Wallace,Davidson,Sellar,McLeman.
Have an extensive history for McLeman.
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« Reply #8 on: Sunday 15 October 06 10:53 BST (UK) »

many thanks again.  All the Forfarshire lines of my family seem to have come from  Arbroath although the "family legend" was that they came from Dundee.
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Family names:SPINK (WRY), GOODWIN (DBY), PRATT (SCT & WRY), WILDGOOSE (DBY), STRETTON (LEI & DBY), MARTIN(ANS), NICOLL(ANS), McKENNA(TYR), STRAIN(DON), WALLACE(FIF), RAE(STI), PENMAN(STI) & CAPPIE(ELN).
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« Reply #9 on: Sunday 15 October 06 10:55 BST (UK) »

Through the site you recommended I have made contact with the local archives in Arbroath and hopefully they may shed some light on the KERNAGHAN/TOPPING families.

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« Reply #10 on: Sunday 15 October 06 11:10 BST (UK) »

If you have a look at the National Library of Scotland website you will find an 1858 map of Arbroath and can see the extent of W Grimsby
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Arbroath, St Vigeans, Auchmithie...names Beattie,Eaton,Spink,Smith,Keir, Shepherd, Cargill
Dunnichen/Farnell names...Weir,Addison, Anderson, Rodger
Aberdeenshire...names Stephen,Kemp,Wallace,Davidson,Sellar,McLeman.
Have an extensive history for McLeman.
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« Reply #11 on: Sunday 15 October 06 11:14 BST (UK) »

Have you seen the Talking Scotland site  www.talkingscot.com

This has a bit about workhouses & other institutions also
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Arbroath, St Vigeans, Auchmithie...names Beattie,Eaton,Spink,Smith,Keir, Shepherd, Cargill
Dunnichen/Farnell names...Weir,Addison, Anderson, Rodger
Aberdeenshire...names Stephen,Kemp,Wallace,Davidson,Sellar,McLeman.
Have an extensive history for McLeman.
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« Reply #12 on: Sunday 15 October 06 12:20 BST (UK) »

There's a website (users.ox.ac.uk/~peter/workhouse/menu.html) which gives a list of the staff and inmates in Arbroath Workhouse in 1881.  This would be too early for your David Kernaghan but it includes a map showing it's location.
The 1901 Census of the Workhouse might show him as an inmate.
If the website doesn't work, simply Google - Arbroath Workhouse.

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« Reply #13 on: Sunday 15 October 06 19:46 BST (UK) »

many thanks.  would I be right in thinking that the workhouses kept their own records of inmates?
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Family names:SPINK (WRY), GOODWIN (DBY), PRATT (SCT & WRY), WILDGOOSE (DBY), STRETTON (LEI & DBY), MARTIN(ANS), NICOLL(ANS), McKENNA(TYR), STRAIN(DON), WALLACE(FIF), RAE(STI), PENMAN(STI) & CAPPIE(ELN).
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« Reply #14 on: Saturday 21 October 06 23:53 BST (UK) »

English workhouses kept several registers - notably the Admissions and Discharges one.  I would guess that the Scottish system was similar.  Many of these survive in England - and many don't. Peter Higginbottom's workhouses site usually lists what records survive for each workhouse.
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