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KathyM
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I have booked to go to the Leeds Archives in two weeks time - if anyone would like a free - look-up in the parish records (Leeds, Wakefield, Bradford, areas)....preferably with a specific church & rough idea of dates !
I will spend the morning doing look-ups ! let me know !
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~~~~~~~~ Census transcriptions Crown Copyright, www.NationalArchives.gov.ukArdill, Bourke/Burke, Bellwood, Bridge, Cain, Church, Cragg, Dennell, Dunning, Gough, Haslam, Holmes, Jessop, Kidson/Kitson, Knowles, Markwick, Martin, Munden, Nickerson, Robinson, Seddon, Whittle, Varley & Walpole. Areas: Yorkshire, Lancashire, Norfolk, Marylebone & Tipperary |
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KathyM
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I will make a note to look for Dodds.....
Any idea about location in Leeds ? There are dozens of churches......generally many people married at Leeds Parish Church, but baptisms were performed locally....eg. Beeston, Armley, Holbeck  Does it tell you where they were from on their marriage details ? This would narrow it down a bit & make it more likely that I could find something !
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~~~~~~~~ Census transcriptions Crown Copyright, www.NationalArchives.gov.ukArdill, Bourke/Burke, Bellwood, Bridge, Cain, Church, Cragg, Dennell, Dunning, Gough, Haslam, Holmes, Jessop, Kidson/Kitson, Knowles, Markwick, Martin, Munden, Nickerson, Robinson, Seddon, Whittle, Varley & Walpole. Areas: Yorkshire, Lancashire, Norfolk, Marylebone & Tipperary |
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nsc
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Hello.
First, the story:
We live in France, in the Somme region in fact, and my wife (who is French) gave birth to our second child on Sunday (7/11/04). During her labour, the anaesthetist was chatting quite animatedly, and told us that his wife’s grandfather was English, and married and settled in France after WW1.
Neither he nor his wife speak English, but they are very keen on tracing their English ancestry, and asked if I could help. In the first instance, they want to trace their family line back, but of more importance to them is to trace any descendants of their English family who might be around today.
The anaesthetist’s wife’s grandfather was SAM SPENCER, born in Leeds, Yorkshire, on 3rd November 1893. His parents were apparently called JAMES SPENCER and ADA BARSTOW. Unfortunately, they have no documents to confirm spellings. It is also though that he had a sister called EVA who became a nurse.
SAM died in France on 12th September 1953.
I have looked on the 1901 census and the Yorkshire BMD index, but can’t find a match.
Can you help?
Thankyou
Neil Cartwright
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KathyM
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Congratulations ! Boy or girl ? What name have you chosen ?
I will try to find something for your 'friend'.
So far - I have managed to find the marriage in the index - which was actually in Bradford - not Leeds.
March 1891 Bradford 9b 193 James Spencer & Ada Barstow
The spellings seem to be correct ...... I still haven't managed to find them on the census' though. You may want to order the above certificate - but I will try to find it in the Parish Records - although there are many possible churches in Bradford !
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~~~~~~~~ Census transcriptions Crown Copyright, www.NationalArchives.gov.ukArdill, Bourke/Burke, Bellwood, Bridge, Cain, Church, Cragg, Dennell, Dunning, Gough, Haslam, Holmes, Jessop, Kidson/Kitson, Knowles, Markwick, Martin, Munden, Nickerson, Robinson, Seddon, Whittle, Varley & Walpole. Areas: Yorkshire, Lancashire, Norfolk, Marylebone & Tipperary |
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nsc
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FANTASTIC! 
Thankyou VERY VERY much!!!!! 
I can tell him we've made a good start when I visit maternité this afternoon!
It's a boy - nearly 4 kilos. My wife had 3 names in mind - Jacob, Moïse and Etienne. (Jacob, Moses and Stephen). She kept checking the local papers for births, because if any of those names had come up in the 9 months, they would be crossed off the list. Anyway, Jacob and Etienne appeared, so ours is Moïse. (It was my favourite anyway. We've got an 18 month old called Marthe, and Marthe and Mo go quite nicely together). However, when I went into the local school yesterday, where I work, after the kids had said 'Felicitations', a little girl put her hand up to ask the baby's name. I proudly said 'Moïse'. Silence. 
I think if I'd have said 'Britney', 'Wayne', or 'Dylan', the reaction would have been much more positive!
Anyway, thankyou again. If you can find any more, that would be wonderful!
Neil Cartwright 
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Nicky
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Hi
Taking into account the marriage found in 1891 this could very well be the 1891 census for the couple. I have had a look through for a James and Ada Spencer and this is the only pair. Of course somehow it would need verifying.
1891 census
address 5 Union Street
Elizabeth Spencer, head, widow, age 50 born Lancs Manchester
Jas Spencer, son, married, age 23, framer born Yorkshire Cleckheaton
Ada Spencer,daughter in law, age 23,card filler up, born Yorkshire Cleckheaton
Eliza Jane Spencer, daughter, age 19,factory operation, born Yorkshire Ceckheaton
Sam Spencer, son, age 16, factory operation, born Yorkshire Cleckheaton
John Richard Spencer, son, age 14, ? (cant read) boy, born Yorkshire Cleckheaton
Civil parish: Cleckheaton
Ecclesiastical parish: St Johns
Town:
County: Yorkshire
Source information: RG12/3610
Registration district: Bradford
Sub registration district: Cleckheaton
ED, institution, or vessel: 21
Folio: 92
Page: 26
It seems very likely this is the correct family, with James having a brother Sam and then naming his son that.
I will have a look and see what else I can find.
Nicky
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nsc
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Nicky,
Thankyou very very much!
Neil
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Nicky
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Hi again
Sams birth in 1893, the district North Bierley covers Cleckheaton.
Name: Spencer, Sam
Record Type: Births
Quarter: December
Year: 1893
District: North Bierley
County: West Riding of Yorkshire
Volume: 9b
Page: 156
I dont have access to the Yorkshire 1901 census,only the free search and found these
Sam Spencer age 7 born Cleckheaton,living in Cleckheaton
James Spencer age 33 born Cleckheatong, teamer at tannery carm (dont know what a carm is,could be transcript error)
Ada Spencer age 33 born Cleckheaton
There are a few other children that could be theirs but I would advise asking for a full lookup from someone who has the census.
Nicky
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KathyM
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The 1901 census info is :
At Springfield Terrace, Cleckheaton
James Spencer Head 33 Teamer at Tannery Carn?
Ada Spencer wife 33
Mary A Spencer dau 8
Sam Spencer son 7
Lizzie Spencer dau 4
All born Cleckheaton (Reg. in North Bierley fits !)
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~~~~~~~~ Census transcriptions Crown Copyright, www.NationalArchives.gov.ukArdill, Bourke/Burke, Bellwood, Bridge, Cain, Church, Cragg, Dennell, Dunning, Gough, Haslam, Holmes, Jessop, Kidson/Kitson, Knowles, Markwick, Martin, Munden, Nickerson, Robinson, Seddon, Whittle, Varley & Walpole. Areas: Yorkshire, Lancashire, Norfolk, Marylebone & Tipperary |
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nsc
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Hi Kathy and Nicky,
Again, thankyou very very much!! The anaesthetist is going to be delighted with this.
The next thing I've got to do is find James Spencer's father, husband of Elizabeth, and their marriage. This seems like it might be a Manchester connection. (People moved around in the mid 1800s much more than expected!)
Anyway, one final question: how do I go about casting forward to find relations who might be alive today?
Thankyou again for all of your help!
Neil
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Nicky
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This looks like the family in 1881, transcription error missed the R off Spencer. But names fit etc.
Household:
Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
Richard SPENCE Head M Male 47 Cleckheaton, York, England Teamster Carter
Elizabeth SPENCE Wife M Female 42 Manchester, Lancashire, England
James SPENCE Son Male 13 Cleckheaton, York, England Scholar
Eliza Jane SPENCE Daur Female 9 Cleckheaton, York, England Scholar
Sam SPENCE Son Male 6 Cleckheaton, York, England Scholar
John Richard SPENCE Son Male 3 Liversedge, York, England
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Source Information:
Dwelling Jachin Street
Census Place Cleckheaton, York, England
Family History Library Film 1342059
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 4429 / 82
Page Number 33
Nicky
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nsc
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Wow! Thankyou again, Nicky!
Needless to say, when the anaesthetist called in this evening, he was absolutely delighted!
Wonderful stuff!
Thankyou
Neil
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