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Mazm
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Could anyone tell me if there was an orphanage in London Colney?
It is believe that 4 children of the same family were sent to an orphanage in London Colney and 2 to an orphanage in Lancashire. They were placed in the orphanage sometime after 1927, unfortunately none of the 4 are still alive.
If it did exist or in fact still does, is it possible to get information about the orphanage and also these 4 particular children that were placed there.
Many thanks for any help
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Maz
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Baker, Binns, Butcher(s), Cox, Oyler, Evans, (Finch), Fisher, Funnell, Green, Gibbs, Lambsden, Lilly, Miller, Mumford, Paddy, Perry, Quinnell, Simons, Southall
Birmingham, Kent, Lancashire, Middlesex, Sussex, West Derby
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JLo
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The only place I can think of which might fit the bill is the All Saints Pastoral Centre in London Colney, which used to be a convent. May be the nuns took in orphans 
http://www.allsaintspc.org.uk/
There is a 'London Colney Local History Society' who may be able to help you. The link below gives details of contact numbers
http://www.hertsdirect.org/comdirectory/comvol/herit2y/hthist3y/11703104
I'll see if I can find out any more - I know the St Albans library has books on the history of London Colney. So I'll see what they say.
Julie
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Census Information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.ukMarshall, Beeson (Herts) Lo(e)wenthal,Kavanagh, Maxam (London, Birmingham) Harrisson, Matthews (London, Essex) Poulton, Philbrick (Essex) Guest, Timmins (Staffs) Raynes/Ryall (Ireland, Birmingham) White (Bucks) Gunn (Scotland, Lancs, Essex) Ison (Tamworth, Birmingham, USA, Canada) |
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lifes too short
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I popped into London Colneys library on the way back from shopping (only live about 2 miles away) to see if I could find out any more info on orphanages in the surrounding area. It is only a small library and not many records however I did find a folder with various info on the All saints pastoral centre that was mentioned before. In 1901 the convent moved down from London to All Saints. It was definitely a orphanage and in 1908 a separate building was built (St Gabriels) for 30 children. It states that no refusal was made on religious grounds. In 1924 an additional wing St Raphaels was built and further wings added in 1927 ( St Annes). The children were sent to local schools. In 1973 the sisters moved to Birmingham and the property was purchased by the Archbishop of Westminster for use as a pastoral centre. I have written a note that says the orphanage of St Gabriels is now occupied by the Volunteer Missionary movement but I may of written this wrong or it could be out of date info. There are no records of the children names etc but St Albans family records office may have some more info. They may not be able to divulge this due to 100 year act though Taking into account the size of London Colney I think there is a very good chance that this where these children were likely to have stayed. How you find out could be challenging! Hope this is of some help......
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JLo
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Well done 'lifes too short' - interesting info. I thought nuns and orphans would be a likely match 
We must live quite close to each other!
Perhaps if we had some names and estimated birth dates Maz we could follow this up in local directories and electoral registers. The main library in St Albans also has the parish registers for London Colney on microfilm.
Julie
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Census Information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.ukMarshall, Beeson (Herts) Lo(e)wenthal,Kavanagh, Maxam (London, Birmingham) Harrisson, Matthews (London, Essex) Poulton, Philbrick (Essex) Guest, Timmins (Staffs) Raynes/Ryall (Ireland, Birmingham) White (Bucks) Gunn (Scotland, Lancs, Essex) Ison (Tamworth, Birmingham, USA, Canada) |
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lifes too short
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Hi Julie
I live in Park Street just outside of St Albans so London Colney is pretty close. Been having a think and looking on the web but not much springs to mind. St Albans library probably has more info but would there be registers for the 1920's ? I did look at the National archives records and they have some info but not for the same period or any lists of childrens names. It did show a closure period of 30 years though so if the info is to be found then maybe it can be seen if you know what I mean  Were electoral rolls only for adults ?? if so then the children won't be shown. If we could have some more info then we could have a look further.
BFN Clare
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JLo
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Good point - I'm not sure the parish registers are as recent as 1920's.
The electoral roles and directories are indeed just adults, but I was thinking of seeing if they stayed in the local area once they left the orphanage. There is also archives of the local paper that would cover the period, but you need a good idea of the date you're looking for as there are a lot to trawl through - believe me I've done it!! If they did stay in ther area we may be able to find marriages or deaths there. The churchyard at London Colney has an index of all its graves up to around 1980, so that's another possible source.
I suspect any information on the children at the actual orphanage would be held at HALs
http://www.hertsdirect.org/libsleisure/heritage1/HALS/
It may be worth a phone call. I have always found them extremely helpful.
Julie
PS I live in St Albans - I was in Park Street yesterday at How Wood school!!
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Census Information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.ukMarshall, Beeson (Herts) Lo(e)wenthal,Kavanagh, Maxam (London, Birmingham) Harrisson, Matthews (London, Essex) Poulton, Philbrick (Essex) Guest, Timmins (Staffs) Raynes/Ryall (Ireland, Birmingham) White (Bucks) Gunn (Scotland, Lancs, Essex) Ison (Tamworth, Birmingham, USA, Canada) |
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Mazm
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What can I say, except a very big thank you to Julie and Clare. I am rather taken aback by the quick response.
I am researching this for a friend of mine and she will be so thrilled with it all. I am going to pass it all on to her and let her off the leash to take it further!
Many many thanks, will let you know how she gets on if you like?
Regards to both
Maz
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Birmingham, Kent, Lancashire, Middlesex, Sussex, West Derby
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JanetteO
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I must say I actually drove in to the Pastoral Centre in the summer as I could see its magnifigance from the road... it really is a wow factor place. I followed the link that was left for you and it really doesn't show it to its best.
I live in South Mimms, not far from London Colney, if you want any pictures just give me a shout, as I'd love an excuse to go back and take some pictures. We didn't even get out of the car but we could feel the awe and wow factor, it's a beautiful place.
Being a young child and sent there to live, I can just imagine those childrens eyes popping out of their heads in wonder!
Jan
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Mazm
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Hi Jan
Many many thanks for your offer and comments. I have this morning emailed my friend - you will never guess where she is going today? - yes correct. How amazing is that.
She thanks you very much for the offer but can now take pictures herself. She is also going to ask a few question if she can.
Regards to everyone for their help
Maz
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Baker, Binns, Butcher(s), Cox, Oyler, Evans, (Finch), Fisher, Funnell, Green, Gibbs, Lambsden, Lilly, Miller, Mumford, Paddy, Perry, Quinnell, Simons, Southall
Birmingham, Kent, Lancashire, Middlesex, Sussex, West Derby
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HI,
I can only add, I had a friend at school who came from the orphanage, and the children were sent to London Colney Secondary school (now closed down)
I was at the school from 1967 to 1973. she was taking in and fostered by a local family in 1973 when the orphanage closed.
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Kim
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