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Topic: any info on Ellen KAY or Ellen O'FLAHERTY (Read 558 times)
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Ann E
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Ellen LACEY born 26.7.1856 Ryde IOW
25 12 .1872 Married William KAY soldier Residence Parkhurst camp IOW
Ellen (LACEY) KAY arrived in Canada in September 1894. With her were her children,
Kate, born at Aldershot camp 19.9.1874
Alice, born at new Barracks Johnston Terrace Edinburgh. 19.9.1874
Bertram Charles .born Ryde IOW 1.10. 1887
Fred William. Born Ryde IOW 29.1.1891 one of a twin
She left William KAY by then
When Ellen KAY arrived in Canada she was Mrs. O'Flaherty and she was with child.
Leila O'FLAHERTY was born in May, 1895. I have no idea what ship or what port.
She may have been Mrs. Kay or Mrs. O'Flaherty, (husband was Maurice a tailor from 1901 census haven’t found marriage) but the children would be listed with her.
Ellen (LACEY) KAY, O’FLAHERTY was living at King St Dundas 12 .4.1915 (in report of death of her son Bertram Charles) Maurice died 13 September 1913, I don’t know when but she later married --- Hunter
her children
Kate, married pre 1897 to David PYLE in Hamilton
Alice, Kay died in October 1920 I don’t know where or if she was married.
Bertram Charles returned to the Isle of Wight. He married an English woman and joined the army. He was killed at Neuve Chappelle in March 1915. His children were raised in Canada.
Fred KAY had died in Dundas in 1990 this is all I know of him.
Any info or suggestions would be most welcome
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Janice M
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Here is the marriage for David Pyle and Ellen Kay.
#013527-96 (Wentworth Co)
David George PYLE,
25,
motor man,
Spring Village Mass USA, Hamilton,
s/o George PYLE & Emma COLLIER,
married
Kate Ellen KAY,
22,
Aldershot England,
Dundas,
d/o William KAY & Ellen LACKEY,
witn: Ellen O'FLAHERTY & William G. BROWN,
both of Dundas, 13 Aug 1896 at the Manse in Dundas
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Janice M
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According to both Census 1901 & 1911, they arrived in Canada in 1894.
http://www.automatedgenealogy.com
1901 Census
Dundas, Wentworth County, Ontario
OFlaherty Morris
Male
Head
Married
Birth: September 14 1854
Age:46
OFlaherty Ellen
Female
Wife
Married
Birth: July 25 1856
Age: 43
OFlaherty Lella
Female
Daughter
Single
Birth: March 10 1896
Age:5
1911 Census
49 - 12 King
Dundas, Wentworth, Ontario
O'Flaherty Maurice
Male
Head
Married
Birth: September 1855
Age: 55
O'Flaherty Ellen
Female
Wife
Married
Birth: July 1857
Age: 53
O'Flaherty Leila
Female
Daughter
Single
Birth: May 1895
Age: 16
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Elder, Stewart, Johnston, Baskerville, Marks, Carson, Leitch, Bulloch, Thomson, Allen, Campbell, Gordon, Murray, Kelly, Chambers, Black, Cheyne, Youngson, Williamsdaughter, Anderson, Briggs, Pirie, Clark, Philp, Mannel, Lander, Rough, Lean, Bate, Lanxon, Brown, Oliver, Kitt, Shards, Bennet, Young, Petrie, Wylie, Herbertson, Martin, McAlister, Best, Ginn, Ross, McIntosh, McGillivray, Russell, Pettigrew, Fyfe, Barrie
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Janice M
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Frederick W. Kay is buried at Grove Cemetery 129½ York Road, Dundas Ontario.
Kay Frederick W.
Wentworth County
West Flamborough
Grove Cemetery
Leila O'Flaherty is buried at Grove Cemetery 129½ York Road, Dundas Ontario. (You can always as the cemetery to give you any information, they have on file.)
O'flaherty Leila M.
Wentworth County
West Flamborough
Grove Cemetery
http://ogs.andornot.com/OldFiles/CemeteryIndex.htm
Dundas Valley Historical Society
http://www.unityserve.org/dundashistory/index.shtml
Wentworth County GenWeb
http://www.hwcn.org/link/wengenweb/
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Elder, Stewart, Johnston, Baskerville, Marks, Carson, Leitch, Bulloch, Thomson, Allen, Campbell, Gordon, Murray, Kelly, Chambers, Black, Cheyne, Youngson, Williamsdaughter, Anderson, Briggs, Pirie, Clark, Philp, Mannel, Lander, Rough, Lean, Bate, Lanxon, Brown, Oliver, Kitt, Shards, Bennet, Young, Petrie, Wylie, Herbertson, Martin, McAlister, Best, Ginn, Ross, McIntosh, McGillivray, Russell, Pettigrew, Fyfe, Barrie
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Janice M
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Some interesting links.
http://www.hamiltonpostcards.com/index.html
http://www.dundasmuseum.ca/history.shtml
http://www.hwdsb.on.ca/archives/
http://www.collectionscanada.ca/genealogy/022-500-e.html
http://www.ourroots.ca/e/index.aspx
http://digital.library.mcgill.ca/countyatlas/
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Elder, Stewart, Johnston, Baskerville, Marks, Carson, Leitch, Bulloch, Thomson, Allen, Campbell, Gordon, Murray, Kelly, Chambers, Black, Cheyne, Youngson, Williamsdaughter, Anderson, Briggs, Pirie, Clark, Philp, Mannel, Lander, Rough, Lean, Bate, Lanxon, Brown, Oliver, Kitt, Shards, Bennet, Young, Petrie, Wylie, Herbertson, Martin, McAlister, Best, Ginn, Ross, McIntosh, McGillivray, Russell, Pettigrew, Fyfe, Barrie
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Hi Janice
Thank you for all the info you so kindly looked up much appreciated ,from the info you gave I tried to look for the burials, I could not find them, what did I do wrong ,? I was looking to see if there was an age given .
I have spent a lot of time looking for the ship that Ellen KAY arrived in and port she arrived at, all I know is was September 1894 I have searched under LACEY, KAY &
O'Flaherty & variations, also looked for Maurice O'Flaherty( to se if he brought his family with him form the IOW) couldn’t find him either
Thanks again AnnE
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Janice M
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On the link I gave you above;
http://ogs.andornot.com/OldFiles/CemeteryIndex.htm
Wait until it is completely loaded, then type the last name and the name of the cemetery, or just the name of the cemetery. Unfortunately, it does not list the ages or dates of deaths for any of the people you are looking for.
You can either try and get in touch with the cemetery for any other information they may have on file, or you can see if someone can do a lookup for you. Below I have posted a link that lists people willing to do lookups. You want the people from "Hamilton" or "Hamilton - Wentworth" areas. The only thing they ask, is that you not ask for the same information from 2 or more sources. (So you can ask one for cemetery lookups and photos, and another for public records lookups.) Most, if not all, should be free, except of course for the cost of copying, etc.
http://www.raogk.org/ontario.htm
Hope this helps. 
Janice
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For immigration records, I have attached a link that will let you know where and how to research. "National Archives - Canada"
http://www.collectionscanada.ca/genealogy/022-908.003-e.html
Below is a link for a "Genealogy Inquiry Form" through the National Archives - Canada.
http://www.collectionscanada.ca/genealogy/022-300-e.html
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Elder, Stewart, Johnston, Baskerville, Marks, Carson, Leitch, Bulloch, Thomson, Allen, Campbell, Gordon, Murray, Kelly, Chambers, Black, Cheyne, Youngson, Williamsdaughter, Anderson, Briggs, Pirie, Clark, Philp, Mannel, Lander, Rough, Lean, Bate, Lanxon, Brown, Oliver, Kitt, Shards, Bennet, Young, Petrie, Wylie, Herbertson, Martin, McAlister, Best, Ginn, Ross, McIntosh, McGillivray, Russell, Pettigrew, Fyfe, Barrie
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Here is a link that I found interesting, although it has nothing to do with the Canada connection.
http://www.postcards.shalfleet.net/
Also this link; I am not sure if it is of any use, but maybe.
http://www.isle-of-wight-memorials.org.uk/index.htm
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Hi Janice
You have done it again thank you so much for all the trouble you have been to, now I think I am getting somewhere,
I will look in to the other links ,when I get time, it is half term & I have my grandson here!!!
By the way I did know of the IOW memorials( as I come from there) & I can highly recommend the IOW FHS should you want to use it,it free index to B1837-1972, M 1837 -200.D 1837- 1971, it also has loads of other info & lots of links to other useful web sites . Thanks AnnE < www.isle-of-wight-fhs.co.uk/index.htm >
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Ellen's third marriage:
#008377-19 (Brant Co.)
Groom: Robert Hunter
Age: 51
Residence: Galt, Ontario
Place of Birth: Perth, Scotland
Bachelor
Occupation: Dancing Master 
Father: Robert Hunter
Mother: Isabell Smith
Bride: Ellen O'Flaherty
Age: 54
Residence: Dundas, Ontario
Place of Birth: Isle of Wight, England
Widow
Occupation: Housekeeper
Father: Joseph Lacey
Mother: Jane Shearstone
Winesses: Mrs. G. A. Woodside, Brantford, and Mrs. R. Woodington, Brantford
Date and Place of Marriage: 24 Nov 1919 at Brantford
Clergyman: G. A. Woodside, Presbyterian
The License was issued on 8 Nov 1919 and cost them $5.00 
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Information given in census transcriptions is Crown Copyright http://www.nationalarchives.gov.ukEagle (Yorkshire), Prior (Berkshire), Buckland (Nottinghamshire), Short (Devon), Sinclair (Caithness, Scotland), Patterson (Co. Tyrone, Ireland) |
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Thank you MJP, Brilliant, so pleased you have found her, I have looked ! But not hard enough,Where did you find her, as it may help me find her daughters marriage !
thanks again AnnE
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Great-grandfather Private Arthur Henry Prior
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Hi Ann E,
I have a subscription to ancestry.ca, which has digitized all the Ontario BMD records.
I have looked for Leila's marriage, but with no luck. But marriages are only available up to 1922 right now (due to privacy laws). She could easily have married after that.
But here is Alice's marriage and death:
#004192-18 (York Co.)
Groom: James Gibson
Age: 55
Residence: Niagara-on-the-Lake
Place of Birth: Kirkcudbrightshire, Scotland
Widower
Occupation: Teamster
Religious Denomination: Presbyterian
Father: John Gibson
Mother: Agnes Clark
Bride: Alice Kay
Age: 40
Residence: Niagara-on-the-Lake
Place of Birth: Embro, Scotland
Widow [then why is her name Kay?]
Occupation: (blank)
Religious Denomination: Presbyterian
Father: Marshall Flaherty
Mother: Ellen Lacey
Winesses: Dorothy Dunn, 90 Winchester St., Toronto, and Margaret H. Brown, 92 Winchester St. Toronto
Date and Place of Marriage: 15 Aug 1918 at 92 Winchester St. Toronto
Clergyman: Geo. M. Brown, 92 Winchester St. Toronto, Methodist
License Issued 15 Aug 1918
#007417-20 (York Co.)
Alice Gibson
Place of Death: Tor Gen Hospital [=Toronto General]
Female
Scotch origin
Married
Age: 42
Place of Birth: Scotland
Occupation: (blank)
Name of Father: (blank)
Name of Mother: (blank)
Informant: James Gibson, Husband, R(?) 452 Richmond W.
Place of burial: Toronto [well that's informative no isn't it! ]
Undertaker: H. R. Ranks, 455 Queen W.
Date of Death: 11 Oct 1920
Dates attended by medical practitioner: from 4 Oct to 11 Oct
Cause of Death: Intestinal Paralysis
Secondary Cause: Peritonitis and Haemorrhage, 3 days
Operation preceded death - 8 Oct 1920, but no autopsy
Physician: R. V. B. Shior(?), Tor Gen Hospital
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Information given in census transcriptions is Crown Copyright http://www.nationalarchives.gov.ukEagle (Yorkshire), Prior (Berkshire), Buckland (Nottinghamshire), Short (Devon), Sinclair (Caithness, Scotland), Patterson (Co. Tyrone, Ireland) |
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Thanks again MPJ spot on.
As for Leila I looked up her death that Janice gave me & found
Married women may be listed twice in the index; under their maiden name and under their married name.
for example: Brown Sarah [maiden name entry] Wright Sarah (Brown) [married name entry]
I will contact them to see if they know any more.
Alice was born at new Barracks Johnston Terrace Edinburgh. 19.9. 1874 her father was William KAY,
Ellen her mother left him, I am not surprised she left him according to his army & medical records he was a bit of a lad! was in prison three times & AWOL I think he liked wine women & song ! She ran off to Canada with him a thrice widowed Irish tailor who was blind in one eye, he was from the IOW, who name was Maurice O'Flaherty her step father.
She knocked 4 years off her age, ( unless she forgot how old she was !)
Poor thing she was only married two years, I now know why I couldn't’t find her in the census for Wentworth Dundas,  I will look that up now, oh I see she was a widow, that may be a problem , I will look any way, She may have married a KAY,!! Oh well it makes life interesting doesn't it .
Thank you once again , it all makes interesting reading
AnnE
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Hi MJP I know you have helped a lot but ! please could do a look up ? I think ? I have found Kate KAY 1 st marriage ?
I looked on Ancestry , but I am not a member So  please
[color=Pink]Ontario, Canada Marriages, 1857-1922
Birth, Marriage, & Death
. Name: Alice Kay
Spouse: Alfred Hudson
Father: Wm Kay
Birth: year - location
More: See all information [/color]
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