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Dave Francis
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'Court' as part of an address?
« on: Monday 23 October 06 16:32 UTC (UK) »

A quick query, I hope.

Could somebody please clarify the meaning of 'Court' in the context of the following neighbouring addresses from the 1901 Census (Birmingham)?

Hospital Street
13 Court 15th House
13 Court 13 House
13 Court 12 House
13 Court 1 House

[Ref: RG 13/2844 folio 90 page 29]

I thought that 'Court' might refer to a tenement building. But if so, why qualify the address with differently numbered 'Houses'?

Dave
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Re: 'Court' as part of an address?
« Reply #1 on: Monday 23 October 06 16:46 UTC (UK) »

Doesn't it mean 'dwellings' off a courtyard. The courtyard itself being set off the main road in this case Hospital Street.

e.g.

http://tinyurl.com/y64rk6

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Re: 'Court' as part of an address?
« Reply #2 on: Monday 23 October 06 16:52 UTC (UK) »

Or better still a Birmingham photograph

http://tinyurl.com/ssl4f

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Re: 'Court' as part of an address?
« Reply #3 on: Monday 23 October 06 17:27 UTC (UK) »

Excellent! Many thanks Valda!
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Surnames include: FRANCIS in Glamorgan / LANWORN in Monmouth / BLACKMAN, RUSSELL in Sussex / KEARSEY, BARLTROP in Essex / TOOKEY in Leicestershire / LASHMORE in London and Kent / GOODWIN, PASQUE, ATTOE, FISK, QUINTON, RUFFLES, CULLINGFORD and others in Suffolk / MAYOSS anywhere anytime! / GILMORE in Belfast
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Re: 'Court' as part of an address?
« Reply #4 on: Monday 23 October 06 17:43 UTC (UK) »

hi
   in sheffield there was on some streets several court yards in which there was houses around it usually these were what was called one up and one down. A kitchen come living area down stairs and a bedroom upstairs.Many of these being overcrowded with large families.The toilets in blocks in the yard one toilet being shared by a number of families.
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Re: 'Court' as part of an address?
« Reply #5 on: Monday 23 October 06 18:04 UTC (UK) »

Hi,
     just to add to my last re courts.The courts sometimes were set so they were in between 3 or 4 streets.The houses being back to backwith the house on the ajoining streets.

     Tilter.
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Re: 'Court' as part of an address?
« Reply #6 on: Monday 23 October 06 18:28 UTC (UK) »

Hi tilter

Thanks for the info. From what I can gather, it sounds like the people in question were living in slum conditions. This doesn't really surprise me ...

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Surnames include: FRANCIS in Glamorgan / LANWORN in Monmouth / BLACKMAN, RUSSELL in Sussex / KEARSEY, BARLTROP in Essex / TOOKEY in Leicestershire / LASHMORE in London and Kent / GOODWIN, PASQUE, ATTOE, FISK, QUINTON, RUFFLES, CULLINGFORD and others in Suffolk / MAYOSS anywhere anytime! / GILMORE in Belfast
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Re: 'Court' as part of an address?
« Reply #7 on: Monday 23 October 06 21:55 UTC (UK) »

Hello Dave & Tilter
You are right Tilter they were back-to-backs as they were known.An entry between 2 houses led onto a yard ,in the yard was a brew'us for washing clothes,a toilet block and outside taps.The houses could number as few as 6 or up to 20.At the time they weren't considered slums as they were infinitely better than most people had before.By 1880's there was such a huge influx of people looking for work that overcrowding caused the slum conditions.
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Edmonds;Felton;Colledge;kane;Lutwyche;Mander(s);May;Poole;Withers;Whitworth.
Staffs.Edmonds;Addison;Duffield;Webb;Fisher;Archer
Leics.Cooper;Preston
Notts.Clarke;Redfearne;Treece.
Som.May;Perriman;Cox
India Kane;Felton;Cadby
London.Haysom;Easthope
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Worcs.Coley;Sawyer.
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Re: 'Court' as part of an address?
« Reply #8 on: Monday 23 October 06 22:12 UTC (UK) »

Many thanks for your insight Jim! I'm researching an particular family and it certainly helps to understand the conditions in which they lived at the turn of the century.

Dave
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Surnames include: FRANCIS in Glamorgan / LANWORN in Monmouth / BLACKMAN, RUSSELL in Sussex / KEARSEY, BARLTROP in Essex / TOOKEY in Leicestershire / LASHMORE in London and Kent / GOODWIN, PASQUE, ATTOE, FISK, QUINTON, RUFFLES, CULLINGFORD and others in Suffolk / MAYOSS anywhere anytime! / GILMORE in Belfast
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Re: 'Court' as part of an address?
« Reply #9 on: Monday 23 October 06 22:13 UTC (UK) »

Take a look at these:
 http://www.bgfl.org/carlchinn/search.cfm?mr=&res=y&rt=&media=&area=&phys=&hum=&k1=slums&k2=&k3=&k4=&k5=&k6=&k7=&k8=
Jim
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Warks:Ashford;Cadby;Clarke;Clifford;Cooke;Dillon;Easthope;
Edmonds;Felton;Colledge;kane;Lutwyche;Mander(s);May;Poole;Withers;Whitworth.
Staffs.Edmonds;Addison;Duffield;Webb;Fisher;Archer
Leics.Cooper;Preston
Notts.Clarke;Redfearne;Treece.
Som.May;Perriman;Cox
India Kane;Felton;Cadby
London.Haysom;Easthope
Lancs.Gay.
Worcs.Coley;Sawyer.
Census information is Crown copyright,from
www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/
Dave Francis
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Re: 'Court' as part of an address?
« Reply #10 on: Monday 23 October 06 22:19 UTC (UK) »

Thanks for the link Jim - bookmarked!
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Surnames include: FRANCIS in Glamorgan / LANWORN in Monmouth / BLACKMAN, RUSSELL in Sussex / KEARSEY, BARLTROP in Essex / TOOKEY in Leicestershire / LASHMORE in London and Kent / GOODWIN, PASQUE, ATTOE, FISK, QUINTON, RUFFLES, CULLINGFORD and others in Suffolk / MAYOSS anywhere anytime! / GILMORE in Belfast
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Re: 'Court' as part of an address?
« Reply #11 on: Friday 27 October 06 23:25 UTC (UK) »

Dear Dave
If you want a book on the subject - there's "Living Back-to-Back" by Chris Upton, all about Birmingham's courts.  And yes, the courts simply had numbers, and the houses numbered within the court - so House 1, 8 Court, Clarkson Street - would be a typical sort of address.  Later on, some of the courts were given names to make them sound better.
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Re: 'Court' as part of an address?
« Reply #12 on: Friday 27 October 06 23:34 UTC (UK) »

Forgot to say - there's a phot of 17 Court, Hospital Street on p 31 of that book - so photos of these courts certainly exist.  Have you tried the local studies section of Birmingham Library - it's extremely good. 
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Winson (Dby), Stanley(Sts), Harrison(Dby to Rutland), Barker((Sts, Wks, Salop), Baston (Oxon), Wiltshire(Middx)
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Re: 'Court' as part of an address?
« Reply #13 on: Friday 27 October 06 23:36 UTC (UK) »

Hi Linda

Thanks for the useful info!

Dave
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Surnames include: FRANCIS in Glamorgan / LANWORN in Monmouth / BLACKMAN, RUSSELL in Sussex / KEARSEY, BARLTROP in Essex / TOOKEY in Leicestershire / LASHMORE in London and Kent / GOODWIN, PASQUE, ATTOE, FISK, QUINTON, RUFFLES, CULLINGFORD and others in Suffolk / MAYOSS anywhere anytime! / GILMORE in Belfast
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Re: 'Court' as part of an address?
« Reply #14 on: Wednesday 22 November 06 09:25 UTC (UK) »

There are just a few back-to-backs still in existence in Birmingham. The National Trust has recently opened some to the public, so you can actually visit and check out the conditions:

Birmingham Back to Backs
50-54 Inge Street/55-63 Hurst Street,

Carefully restored 19th-century courtyard of working people's houses

http://www.nationaltrust.org.uk/main/w-vh/w-visits/w-findaplace/w-birmingham_backtobacks/
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