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knightstemplar
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Norman Gene Smith Ecclesall Bierlow look up
« on: Tuesday 24 October 06 20:52 UTC (UK) »
Can you help me with the following look up. 

Looking for information about the parents of Norman Gene Smith born 27 July 1928, living at 95 Olivers road,  Ecclesall Bierlow.  They were George William and Marian Smith (Marsden).  Also would like any info on his brothers and sisters there was 13 in all.

Thanks Sue.
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Re: Norman Gene Smith Ecclesall Bierlow look up
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 24 October 06 22:17 UTC (UK) »
Quote from: knightstemplar on Tuesday 24 October 06 20:52 UTC (UK)
...Norman Gene Smith born 27 July 1928, living at 95 Olivers road,  Ecclesall Bierlow. 

Olivet Road rather than Olivers:

White's 1919/20 Directory of Sheffield
95 Olivet Road [Norton Woodseats]
Smith George Wm.  iron worker

'Ecclesall Bierlow' is the Registration District (based on the poor law union) and covered a large area (half of Sheffield and a bit of Derbyshire). Norton Woodseats is more precise.

Hugh in Sheffield
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Re: Norman Gene Smith Ecclesall Bierlow look up
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 24 October 06 23:10 UTC (UK) »
Marian MARSDEN's family, back to 1881 (in Olivet Road in 1891; maybe also in 1901 ?!):

1901 census (index only)
census place: Derbyshire Norton   
Thomas MARSDEN 46 File Cutter DBY Norton   
Mary Ann MARSDEN 48 DBY Nether Padley   
Joseph F MARSDEN 16 Apprentice To Butcher DBY Norton      
James H MARSDEN 14 Errand Boy To File Manufacturer DBY Norton   
May MARSDEN 11 DBY  Norton   
Clarence A MARSDEN 8 DBY  Norton   
Marian MARSDEN  6 DBY  Norton   

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1891 census
ref: piece 3801 e.d. 7 folio 107
Olivet Road
(Norton)

Thomas MARSDEN Head Marr  38 file cutter DBY Norton      
Mary Ann MARSDEN Wife Marr  39 DBY Hope   
Florence MARSDEN Dau 13  file cutter DBY Norton   
Emily MARSDEN Dau  11  scholar DBY Norton      
Annie MARSDEN Dau  9  scholar DBY Norton      
Joseph MARSDEN Son  6  scholar DBY Norton      
Harold MARSDEN Son  4  DBY Norton      
May MARSDEN Dau  1  DBY Norton   

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1881 census
PRO Ref RG11    Piece 4629    Folio 95   
Cross Chantry Road
(Norton, DBY)

Thomas MARSDEN Head Marr 26 File Cutter Norton DBY
Florence MARSDEN Daur 3  Norton DBY

[Cross Chantry Road intersects with Olivet Road]

1881 census
PRO Ref RG11    Piece 3452    Folio 67   
Grindleford Bridge
(Eyam, DBY)

James FROST Head Marr 81 Woodman Stockport CHS
Martha FROST Wife   Marr 65 Woodman Wife Coal Aston DBY
Mary Ann MARSDEN Daur Marr 29 Visitor    Nether Padley DBY
Emily MARSDEN Granddaur 1 Visitor Woodseats DBY
Thomas HEGINSON Lodger Widr 72 Woodman Hope DBY

Hugh
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Re: Norman Gene Smith Ecclesall Bierlow look up
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 25 October 06 10:17 UTC (UK) »
Thanks Dalum great

Can I confirm that you have the address as Olivet Road nad I said Oliver is this an error as I see you have typed it twice.  The address is definately Oliver Road.

Smith is a bit more dificult though.

Thanks for the info

Sue
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Re: Norman Gene Smith Ecclesall Bierlow look up
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 25 October 06 11:08 UTC (UK) »
Well that's puzzling, unless this is the most remarkable coincidence  Smiley. In the information I posted above, it is definitely Olivet (Olivet is another name for 'The Mount of Olives' in the bible).

I went back and had a look at the 1919/20 Directory and found I had missed something - the occupier of the house next door:

93 Marsden Thomas,    watchman
95 Smith George Wm. iron worker

The listing then has 'Cross Chantrey Street' so Geo Wm Smith lived on or near the corner.

The following is the information at the beginning of the listing for this street:

OLIVET RD. Norton Woodseats
(751 Chesterfield road.)
(No thoroughfare)

I have transcribed all this from a digital image of the original directory, so I am confident it is a correct reading.

Olivet Road and Cross Chantry Road still exist today.

What is the source of the name 'Oliver Road' that makes you certain that it is the right address?

Hugh
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Re: Norman Gene Smith Ecclesall Bierlow look up
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 25 October 06 12:42 UTC (UK) »
Dear Dalum

On closer examination the birth certificate does say Olivet Road.  He always said Oliver Road, what a shock,  we even went to see where it was lately.

Thanks for clearing that up for us.

Sue
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Re: Norman Gene Smith Ecclesall Bierlow look up
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 26 October 06 18:31 UTC (UK) »
Thanks to Hugh the Marsden side is going great now.  Has anyone got any idea about George William Smith and Marian they seems to be the difficult ones.

I understand they were still in the same area. Had a look on an on line Whites 1919 and cant find George Wm Smith.

Noticed that some of the Olivet had been transcribed as Olivat aswell.

Sue
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Re: Norman Gene Smith Ecclesall Bierlow look up
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 29 October 06 20:23 UTC (UK) »
You will need the marriage certificate for Marion and George

Mar 1914 Ecclesall Bierlow 9c 474 is the GRO reference but it might be quicker to order direct from Sheffield Register Office. At the moment GRO has long delays due to WDYTYA.
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Re: Norman Gene Smith Ecclesall Bierlow look up
« Reply #8 on: Monday 30 October 06 13:25 UTC (UK) »
Thanks, alnat, great will do.  I live in Sheffield so that is ok.

Sue
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Re: Norman Gene Smith Ecclesall Bierlow look up
« Reply #9 on: Monday 02 November 09 00:37 UTC (UK) »
Hi Sue,

My Great-Great Grandfather is Josheph Frost Marsden - just wondering if you have any information on this side of the family that would help me with my research?

Kind Regards

Ben Waters
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Re: Norman Gene Smith Ecclesall Bierlow look up
« Reply #10 on: Wednesday 18 November 09 20:22 UTC (UK) »
Recently split from hubby and its his side of the family. Will see what I can find think we followed the Frosts back to 1700 and Derbyshire.  Eyam, Hathersage and Ashford in the Water areas.  Leave it with me for a few weeks and I will come back to you. Sue Wink
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Re: Norman Gene Smith Ecclesall Bierlow look up
« Reply #11 on: Monday 30 November 09 10:45 UTC (UK) »
Hi Sue,

Sorry to hear that - no hurry, but look forward to hearing from you.

Havbe a great Xmas.

Cheers

Ben
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