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longberry
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Any info on Donld Warse born about 1790 in Canisbay.
He married Helen Robertson or Robeson in1814
frank
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bervonian
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He married Helen/Ellen Robertson on 17 Feb 1813 at Canisbay, Caithness. I think their first child Donald, who was born on 28 Jan 1815, Canisbay would have left home by the time the 1841 Census was taken:
1841 Isle of Stroma, Caithness
Donald Warse 50 Farmer
Helen " 45
Mary " 20
Christian " 15
Jane " 15
John " 14
Margaret " 8
George " 6
All were born Caithness.
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bervonian
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In the IGI there are 3 persons named Donald Warse, all born Canisby:
Donald b. 06 Mar 1790 (Parents: Donald Warse/Helen Bower)
Donald b. 12 Aug 1790 (Parents: John Warse/Janet Oal)
Donald b. 21 Sep 1790 (Parents: Wm. Warse/Margaret Mowat)
Bervonian.
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longberry
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Bervonian
Thank you very much again. The first note is very exciting and I will look more closely at the three names you hav given me
thanks again
frank
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longberry
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Dear bervonian
Looking at the names you give in the 1841 cesus. they are different from the names I have.
I think that the problem is that we have 3 Donalds all born in the same place in the same year.I think it is now a case of identifying each and see when and if, they married and to whom
thanks again
frank
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bervonian
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I'm sending a list of the children born to each of the three couples:
Donald Warse (Farmer) m. 26 Jun 1784 Helen Bower.
Children: Jean 1785, Helen 1787, Donald, 1790, John 1793, Margaret 1796. John and Margaret are submitted entries; all others are taken from the record.
John Warse m. Janet Oal (no record in the IGI of a marriage).
Children: James 1780, John 1781, Euphemia 1783, Anne 1788, Donald 1790, William 1793, Janet 1796.
William Warse m. 9 Jan 1768 Margaret Mowat.
Children: Elizabeth 1770, Isobel 1774, John 1777, James 1779, Ann 1779, (twins), William 1782, (died young), Sinclair 1785, William 1786, Donald 1790, George 1791.
Perhaps you'll have better luck than me in deciding which family 'your'
Donald belongs to. 
Bervonian.
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MonicaLesl
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Hi Frank and Bervonian
I believe Donald Warse/Wares, farmer, died in Stroma in 1856 (pity not 1855 Frank and we could have got a list of all his children!) age 66. Unfortunately, it's one of the early death certs. which simply shows married and does not include spouse's names. A couple of things about this cert.:
* Parents are showing as Donald WARES, farmer, deceased and mother Helen Robertson deceased.
* William SIMPSON son-in-law reported the death. That's the clincher Frank, this would be daughter Helen's husband I assume....lucky!
I think mother's maiden name had been reported incorrectly by son-in-law William, who has given Donald's wife Helen's maiden name instead of Donald's mother's, also called Helen just to confuse matters.
So Donald's family as given by Bervonian:
Donald Warse (Farmer) m. 26 Jun 1784 Helen Bower.
Children: Jean 1785, Helen 1787, Donald, 1790, John 1793, Margaret 1796. John and Margaret are submitted entries; all others are taken from the record.
The real Helen Robertson/ Roberson is showing as a widow in 1861 which helps!:
WARES Helen, Head, Widow, 68, Crofter, b. Caithness - Canisbay
WARES Mary, Dau, Unmarried, 44, General Servant, b. Caithness -Canisbay
WARES Margaret, Dau, Unmarried, 26, General Servant, b. Caithness - Canisbay
WARES George, Son, Unmarried, 25, Fisherman
Monica
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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longberry
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monica/bervonian
i think you have cracked it. It seems to be falling into place.
helen Robertsons mother was Marion (?Duncan) Robertson which gives a tenuous link to helen,s daughter Marion.
So I guess we know which Donald it was.
I could not really make out Helen Robertsons fathers name it may be John or perhaps George
Many thanks
Frank
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MonicaLesl
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Frank
These are the children showing for a John ROBSON and Marion DUNCAN:
1. HELEN ROBSON Birth: 24 OCT 1791/ Christening: 30 OCT 1791 Canisbay, Caithness, Scotland
3. WILLIAM ROBSON Birth: 24 JUN 1783/ Christening: 01 JUL 1783 Canisbay, Caithness, Scotland
5. JOHN ROBERTSON Birth: 19 FEB 1781/ Christening: 28 FEB 1781 Canisbay, Caithness, Scotland
7. GEORGE ROBERTSON Birth: 21 AUG 1776/ Christening: 03 SEP 1776 Canisbay, Caithness, Scotland
9. JAMES ROBERTSON Birth: 27 OCT 1778/ Christening: 04 NOV 1778 Canisbay, Caithness, Scotland
This looks like a possibility for the marriage:
MARION DUNCAN Marriages: Spouse: JOHN ROBISON
Marriage: 28 FEB 1776 Canisbay, Caithness, Scotland
From these dates, George their child looks to have been their first, born in August that year. Likely he was named after John's father (maybe Marion's).
Back to Donald Wares and Helen Robertson, George was one of their last born children. There was a Donald and John born first. The above family look a good possibility for Helen. Given she was alive in 1861, her death cert would confirm her parents.
Regards.
Monica
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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MonicaLesl
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Frank
I've just checked the 1841 Census. Possibility that Donald (husband of Helen Bower & father of Donald 1790) may still have been alive in 1841:
In Stroma, there is a Donald Warse aged 85-89, a cottager, living with a Jane aged 55-59 (would fit the daughter Jean Bervonian found b. 1785).
He and Jane are on the same page of the census as son Donald and Helen & family. Good possibility they were 'next door..or two'! Also next to them is who could also be the 3rd Generation Donald Warse, son of Donald and Helen, with his wife Isabella...and baby Donald Warse 4th generation!
Long living lot you have!
Regards.
Monica
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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longberry
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I saw that census but did not take much hed of it.
Now looked at it much more closely and agree. There is at leat three generations,if not four if you count the baby.My guess is there at least one other Donald in front of them all ie a father othe one married to Helen Bower
regards Frank
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