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Blue_angel2
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Hi all,
Am hoping that some kind person out there in Scotland may be able to find out some information on Emery YOUNG, b 1832 Invernesshire and his family of origin for me. He was a labourer.
He emigrated to South Australia in about 1853, but his father's name was not given on his marriage certificate.(He married in SA). I do not know if his whole family emigrated, or only him, but will search for shipping records to SA next. I have only just received his death certificate, and finally know where he actually came from.
Any help to find out information from the Scottish branch would be much appreciated.
Thank you,
B
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SUTER, Birmingham, Warwickshire>Aus
TAYLOR, STOREY, DAVIES, BROWN, HOLROYD, POTTS, Manchester, Eng
KAY, Manchester
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DONNELLY, co Tyrone Ireland>Oz:
HURRELL, Barnstaple, Devon:
COFFEY, IRE; London>NSW, Oz
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MonicaLesl
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Hi B
I cannot see anything for an Emery YOUNG in all of IGI (only 24 entries with Emery and variants as first name) and the 1841 Census. I've looked at name variants also for EMERY: Amer, Imry, Emmor etc.
The closest I can see is an Emery MacDonald b. 1832 in Inverness-shire on the 1841 Census. There are a few other Emery's but all with a different surname???
Regards.
Monica
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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MonicaLesl
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I wonder if Emery was his middle name (that he may have chosen to go by) rather than his first (christened) name?
Monica
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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Gadget
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Hi Like Monica, I've searched the OPRs, 1841 and 1851 and can't find him - or an E* Young.
What exactly does the death cert say? Do you have any info from immigration records?
Gadget
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Blue_angel2
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Hi Monica and Gadget,
Thank you both very much for going to that trouble. I hadn't actually thought to check the IGI again after finding out Emery came from Scotland, as i hadn't been able to find him on a broad search before.
Unfortunately, after putting up my request, i spent all afternoon going through shipping passenger lists to SA trying to find him, and have had no luck so far at all. If i can find him, then i will try to find out more about his journey and origins if possible. I have previously tried other states shipping just in case he came to SA from another state.
Although there is only the single name Emery on his death certificate, and on his marriage record, (and also on the birth records of his children) I guess that he could have been ........ Emery, and used his second name. I thought with such an uncommon name he would be a lot easier to find. 
In one record (in SA) it was spelt as Emory and his surname is written as "Youngs" on his death certificate, though that is definitely incorrect.
All that the death certificate says, apart from the death, residence and undertaker details, were that he was age 76 (on Oct 21st 1908, when he died), labourer, born Invernesshire Sotland, in Oz for 55 years (so estimate he came out 1853, give or take a year). And that he had the 13 children out here (whose details I have - was hoping to track down some of their descendants and hopefully find out more about him, but no luck there either yet. Some of his grandsons in other branches also include the name Emery as a second name)
I wonder if his mother's name may have been MacDonald if you found an Emery MacDonald born 1832 Inverness. perhaps she was an unmarried mum? Do you happen to have any other details of that family? How big was Invernesshire back then?
Thank you very much,
cheers, 
Barb
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researching:YOUNGS/YOUNG 1700's Scotland>Canada>USA>Aus:
CASTLE, Wickhambreaux area Kent>Aus:
CORKE/CORK, Kent, IRE; Aus:
SUTER, Birmingham, Warwickshire>Aus
TAYLOR, STOREY, DAVIES, BROWN, HOLROYD, POTTS, Manchester, Eng
KAY, Manchester
O'SHEA Co Cork Ireland > Oz:
DONNELLY, co Tyrone Ireland>Oz:
HURRELL, Barnstaple, Devon:
COFFEY, IRE; London>NSW, Oz
MOYES, unknown origin >Oz
MILLARD, Wedmore, Somerset>Oz
Also BLAKE BASCOMB MILLER
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Gadget
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Hi Barb
Invernessshire was/is quite extensive:
http://scotlandsfamily.com/parish-map-inverness.htm
Stretching from Inverness in the East to the outer Islands in the West.
I'll have a look for Macdonalds.
Gadget
PS No Emery Macdonald on the IGI for 1830 - 1834
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Wow  that is a big area!!! Looks predominantly like islands. Thank you so much for the link to the map.
Can you suggest any way of narrowing down where in Invernesshire he may have come from? (like are there any lists that you know of which have population density for particular names in different places?)
Would you mind having a look and seeing if there are any YOUNGE or YOUNGS in Invernesshire in the records you have access to? Just trying a long shot- perhaps it was Younge or Youngs changed over the years to Young. Thank you.
cheers,
Barb
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researching:YOUNGS/YOUNG 1700's Scotland>Canada>USA>Aus:
CASTLE, Wickhambreaux area Kent>Aus:
CORKE/CORK, Kent, IRE; Aus:
SUTER, Birmingham, Warwickshire>Aus
TAYLOR, STOREY, DAVIES, BROWN, HOLROYD, POTTS, Manchester, Eng
KAY, Manchester
O'SHEA Co Cork Ireland > Oz:
DONNELLY, co Tyrone Ireland>Oz:
HURRELL, Barnstaple, Devon:
COFFEY, IRE; London>NSW, Oz
MOYES, unknown origin >Oz
MILLARD, Wedmore, Somerset>Oz
Also BLAKE BASCOMB MILLER
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Gadget
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Hi Barb
This is a bit difficult since neither name is really what I would say is 'Scottish', especially not Highland. I did a quick check and found most Youngs were in Inverness and surrounding area itself.
The period you are talking about covers the Highland Clearances when many Highlanders moved. Alternatively, his father could have been army and stationed in Inverness at the time. It really is needle and haystacks.
Sorry.
Gadget
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Blue_angel2
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Thanks anyway G, very much appreciate you checking for me. What were the "Highland Clearances"?
cheers,
Barb
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researching:YOUNGS/YOUNG 1700's Scotland>Canada>USA>Aus:
CASTLE, Wickhambreaux area Kent>Aus:
CORKE/CORK, Kent, IRE; Aus:
SUTER, Birmingham, Warwickshire>Aus
TAYLOR, STOREY, DAVIES, BROWN, HOLROYD, POTTS, Manchester, Eng
KAY, Manchester
O'SHEA Co Cork Ireland > Oz:
DONNELLY, co Tyrone Ireland>Oz:
HURRELL, Barnstaple, Devon:
COFFEY, IRE; London>NSW, Oz
MOYES, unknown origin >Oz
MILLARD, Wedmore, Somerset>Oz
Also BLAKE BASCOMB MILLER
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Gadget
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It's a long story, Barb, with a variety of interpretations but basically the landlords wanted to enclose their lands to make them more profitable. This entailed moving/evicting the people living on the land - hence the great outflow of Highlanders to the large cities and America, etc. All very sad. Finally, there was a commision set up in the 1880s (The Napier Commission) which resulted in The Crofting Act.
The best thing might be to Google "Highland Clearances". There's masses of literature on it.
Gadget
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MonicaLesl
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Just a thought that might help in searching for Emery's family. In those times, it was common to follow what is referred to as Scottish naming patterns when parents chose the name of their children. Not always followed to the letter, sometimes with variations in the order, but it goes something like this:
* the first son was named after his paternal grandfather
* the second son after his maternal grandfather
* the third son after his father
* the first daughter after her maternal grandmother
* the second daughter after her paternal grandmother
* the third daughter after her mother
The other thing to look at is the use of middle names in children's names as you can also get clues from that. I'll find the details of the Emery MacDonald I found this morning and post them for you later (children's supper awaits!).
Regards.
Monica
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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MonicaLesl
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The MacDonald family at Nunton Mow, Kingussie in Inverness-shire. Everyone showing as born in Inverness-shire:
John, 50, agri. lab.
Janet, 40
Emer, 9
Malcolm, 5
Barbra, 3
James, 1
I've just looked at IGI and can see their children. Mother's maiden name is McIntyre. Sadly, I think Emer is also on IGI under the name of Ewen...........I think the name has been mis-transcribed to Emer:
EWEN MACDONALD Birth: 01 JUN 1832 Laggan, Inverness, Scotland
Parents: Father: JOHN MACDONALD Mother: JANET MAC INTYRE
Monica
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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Gadget
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Good work Monica and the Young was an alias
Just noticed that it was Ewen 
Gadget
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Blue_angel2
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Thank you both for those ideas and hints. They give me another perpsective to think about too - always interesting!!
My cousin (through marriage into another line) who is also tracing her family history, suggested that maybe he was born into a "poor relief home" or that his mum may have died in childbirth and he could have been brought up in a poor relief home.
Were they like the workhouses in England? Are there any sites that have good information and lists of these places and the people in them? Do either of you happen to know if there were any in Inverness around that time? Did they still have them if everyone was being cleared from their land?
Lots of questions that perhaps you may have the answers to without going to any trouble?
with much gratitude for your help already,
Cheers,
Barb
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researching:YOUNGS/YOUNG 1700's Scotland>Canada>USA>Aus:
CASTLE, Wickhambreaux area Kent>Aus:
CORKE/CORK, Kent, IRE; Aus:
SUTER, Birmingham, Warwickshire>Aus
TAYLOR, STOREY, DAVIES, BROWN, HOLROYD, POTTS, Manchester, Eng
KAY, Manchester
O'SHEA Co Cork Ireland > Oz:
DONNELLY, co Tyrone Ireland>Oz:
HURRELL, Barnstaple, Devon:
COFFEY, IRE; London>NSW, Oz
MOYES, unknown origin >Oz
MILLARD, Wedmore, Somerset>Oz
Also BLAKE BASCOMB MILLER
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Gadget
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Hi Barb
I'm sorry but I know very little about the poor relief system in Scotland at the time (I must read up on it). It was different from the English one. Monica may know. Another person who definitely would know is Russell (runner on this site). It would be worth sending him a PM as he's not on too often these days.
One though that I had was that he was called Young Emery, as a nickname, and it changed at some stage to Emer(y) Young.
Good Luck
Gadget
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