|
Pages: 1 2 [3] 4
|
 |
|
Author
|
Topic: YOUNG, Emery. Invernesshire (Read 2744 times)
|
Gadget
RootsChat Marquessate
 Offline
Posts: 17389
My lovely Mum
|
I don't think there's any barrel left 
Monica's having a good scratch around as well 
He could be anywhere. The problem is that the ships lists are primarily geared to America. There seem to be oceans of them but OZ - 
Gadget
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
Blue_angel2
RootsChat Extra
Offline
Posts: 48
Looking here & there, trying to find em everywhere
|
Hi guys,
am back again, sorry to have been away so long. You have been absolutely wonderful doing all that digging for me!!!!Thank you all very much. And nice to hear from you too Russell - your reputation preceded you!! 
The history lesson was fascinating - always interesting to find out how different societies dealt with different issues in any case, even if not looking for ancestors.
I had found the Emery Young in Cambridgeshire before too, and thought that maybe he was mine, until I got Emery's death cert. showing Invernesshire, Scotland as his place of birth. Unfortunately the informant was the undertaker which is no help at all, as i have tried to follow up the name, without success.
There are lots of shipping lists to Australia, and some records are held by our National Archives and State Records NSW, especially for particular periods with the convicts and also assisted immigrants, so if anyone needs me to look up anything for them in those, please let me know and I'll do my best.
According to his death cert, Emery was in the colony for 55 yrs at his death, in 1908 which would make it about 1853 he arrived. Though i hae checked through all the passenger lists that i can find from 1850 - 1856 after his marriage date, (9 Feb 1856 in SA), still no success so far. 
I have found a few "Mr Young" s who came out to SA but no details of where they came from nor Christian names, but unable to follow up any further just yet.
Also, find predominantly lists for ships that came from England, not Scotland, or would they have left from Scotland and come to SA via England perhaps??
Emery's wife was Mary Ann nee Castle and their children were:(in order)
Marion
Wealthey
Stephen
Electy
Janet Emily
Annie
Francis
Mabel
Bessie
John
Adelaide Sarah
George
Mary Ann's parents were Charles and Sarah, from Kent, England, and they had William, Charles, Edmund, Henry, Eliza, Mary, George, Sarah as names in their extended family.
Does anyone happen to know if Electy is a Scottish name at all? I have not come across it anywhere before, and haven't been able to find out anything about her either. (Is definitely female).
Sorry that I haven't been able to find out much more in the interim, but hopefully it will help a bit.
Thank you so very much for your kindness, the 3 of you. I really appreciate all the trouble you are going to for me.
Cheers for now,
Barb
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
researching:YOUNGS/YOUNG 1700's Scotland>Canada>USA>Aus:
CASTLE, Wickhambreaux area Kent>Aus:
CORKE/CORK, Kent, IRE; Aus:
SUTER, Birmingham, Warwickshire>Aus
TAYLOR, STOREY, DAVIES, BROWN, HOLROYD, POTTS, Manchester, Eng
KAY, Manchester
O'SHEA Co Cork Ireland > Oz:
DONNELLY, co Tyrone Ireland>Oz:
HURRELL, Barnstaple, Devon:
COFFEY, IRE; London>NSW, Oz
MOYES, unknown origin >Oz
MILLARD, Wedmore, Somerset>Oz
Also BLAKE BASCOMB MILLER
|
|
|
|
|
Gadget
RootsChat Marquessate
Offline
Posts: 17389
My lovely Mum
|
I was thinking that they sounded English too, Russell. The nearest I can think of is Heccy/Heccie - short for Hectoria or possibly Leccy (not sure what that's the diminutive of) but Electy I've not come across. Wealthey - sounds like the name of a goldmine or some such
I am still wondering about the Cambridge guy, particularly as it was the undertaker who was the informant. He could easily have confused place of birth with someone else - family/neighbours/etc.
Gadget
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
|
|
Gadget
RootsChat Marquessate
Offline
Posts: 17389
My lovely Mum
|
Yes, Russell, I think you are right. Poor Barb is going to have to go through passenger lists and look for any other clues before we can do any more. The names just don't seem at all Scots to me.
My ancestors gave their children grand Scots sounding first or second names after they left - like Bruce, Douglas, Gordon, Wallace, etc.
Gadget - a Braveheart
PS. I just got a Hielan Mary for a middle name!
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
|
|
Blue_angel2
RootsChat Extra
Offline
Posts: 48
Looking here & there, trying to find em everywhere
|
Thanks for the giggles guys,
I think my greatgrandaunt Wealthey was named in the hope that she would be perhaps?? hee hee. I also have a great aunt with the name, and they wanted my grandparents to name my mum after her, so i am VERY grateful they didn't!!!
As i said before, i thought with a name like Emery he'd be easy to trace!!! How wrong can you be?? I agree, McTavish or Campbell sound like good Scottish names - perhaps I'll just give him one instead!!! 
I will keep hunting as much as I can, pity I cant find other cousins from his other children who just may have more information!!! (Haven't had any luck finding them yet either, and a far as i know they are out here too!!) Needles in Haystacks
Any idea where i can look for the Scottish pasenger lists? Did the Ships come out via England, or direct from Scotland?
Hope you are all keeping well, and thanks again,
cheers for now,
Barb
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
researching:YOUNGS/YOUNG 1700's Scotland>Canada>USA>Aus:
CASTLE, Wickhambreaux area Kent>Aus:
CORKE/CORK, Kent, IRE; Aus:
SUTER, Birmingham, Warwickshire>Aus
TAYLOR, STOREY, DAVIES, BROWN, HOLROYD, POTTS, Manchester, Eng
KAY, Manchester
O'SHEA Co Cork Ireland > Oz:
DONNELLY, co Tyrone Ireland>Oz:
HURRELL, Barnstaple, Devon:
COFFEY, IRE; London>NSW, Oz
MOYES, unknown origin >Oz
MILLARD, Wedmore, Somerset>Oz
Also BLAKE BASCOMB MILLER
|
|
|
Gadget
RootsChat Marquessate
Offline
Posts: 17389
My lovely Mum
|
Hi Barb
Glad you're not too upset by our findings, or lack of them.
Scottish ships would have mainly sailed from the Clyde but I would think that there was a fair chance that he might have left through any of the English ports so that again is wide open. I think you need to narrow down his emigration as tightly as possible and then try finding all the ships that sailed during that period.
Sorry
Gadget
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
Blue_angel2
RootsChat Extra
Offline
Posts: 48
Looking here & there, trying to find em everywhere
|
A big thank you Gadget, Russell and Monica for all your help: even discounting potential leads, and teaching me more history and naming, districts, shipping etc is helpful to me, and much appreciated. You are all gems!! 
I have already searched every passenger list i could find from the period, so will see if i can get hold of his hospital records (he died in hospital), and hope that just perhaps, that may provide one or two more clues to chase up. If that doesn't do the trick, I'm going to forget about him for a while as need to stop bashing my head against this particular brick wall. It would be nice to find an ancestor who is easier to chase up for a change.
Once again, thank you all so very much, and don't forget, if i can help you with Aussie stuff, please let me know.
cheers for now,
Barb
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
researching:YOUNGS/YOUNG 1700's Scotland>Canada>USA>Aus:
CASTLE, Wickhambreaux area Kent>Aus:
CORKE/CORK, Kent, IRE; Aus:
SUTER, Birmingham, Warwickshire>Aus
TAYLOR, STOREY, DAVIES, BROWN, HOLROYD, POTTS, Manchester, Eng
KAY, Manchester
O'SHEA Co Cork Ireland > Oz:
DONNELLY, co Tyrone Ireland>Oz:
HURRELL, Barnstaple, Devon:
COFFEY, IRE; London>NSW, Oz
MOYES, unknown origin >Oz
MILLARD, Wedmore, Somerset>Oz
Also BLAKE BASCOMB MILLER
|
|
|
Ozebeaver
RootsChat Extra
Offline
Posts: 9
|
Hello,
I came across your entry for Emery YOUNG and was taken by the names Charles YOUNG and Vere CAMERON.
Have you managed to confirm if this is your family?
I believe your Emery may be born to this couple and perhaps a brother to Colin who I am researching.
When Colin got married his mother's name was cited as Emily and if you say Evere/Vere quickly you can sound like Emery. Add a thick Scottish accent and it is possible.
What gave me the clue was Colin named his eldest daughter Evere Hannah Young.
Would love to exchange notes.
Liz Dolan
Manly Qld Aus
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
Ozebeaver
RootsChat Extra
Offline
Posts: 9
|
Found a reference to a E. Young leaving Melbourne for Adelaide in June 1854 on board the Yarmouth
aged 19yrs. Considering Emery was 21 when he married in 1856 then this could be him.
Film month June page 2.
Another entry for E Young on board the Havilah II in May 1854 but he is aged 24yrs.
Film month May page 2.
My Colin left Melbourne for Sydney in June 1852.
Could not find Emery on board the Blonde in 1848 which is what I believe Colin arrived.
Liz Dolan
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
Blue_angel2
RootsChat Extra
Offline
Posts: 48
Looking here & there, trying to find em everywhere
|
Hi Liz,
Thank you very much for that. perhaps it was him on the Yarmouth. Will have to follow that up.
I have found out a lot more information on this elusive ancestor since my last post (though still not when and how he arrived, so greatly appreciate this lead).
Though his death cert said Inverness Scotland, he was actually born in Lanark, Ontario, Canada, to Isaac Youngs and Charlotte ........ This couple had 2 children.
Then Isaac remarried Betsy (Elizabeth) and went to New York, and they had lots of other children. Emery reputedly headed to Australia and jumped ship, probably to get away from such a big family and to increase his prospects.
His father Isaac was also born in New York, but do not know where his family came from - the theory is THEY were the ones who perhaps came from Inverness. That would have been in the late 1700's.
Haven't been able to get any further back yet, to find out who Isaac's parents were or where they were from. (presumably in Scotland)
I am sorry that it doesn't appear (as yet) that your Colin and my Emery are connected. So hard trying to track such common names. Perhaps yours went to Canada too. There were many Scots who emigrated to Canada and US back then, so it could be quite feasible. Where were yours from?
Thanks again,
Cheers for now,
Barb
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
researching:YOUNGS/YOUNG 1700's Scotland>Canada>USA>Aus:
CASTLE, Wickhambreaux area Kent>Aus:
CORKE/CORK, Kent, IRE; Aus:
SUTER, Birmingham, Warwickshire>Aus
TAYLOR, STOREY, DAVIES, BROWN, HOLROYD, POTTS, Manchester, Eng
KAY, Manchester
O'SHEA Co Cork Ireland > Oz:
DONNELLY, co Tyrone Ireland>Oz:
HURRELL, Barnstaple, Devon:
COFFEY, IRE; London>NSW, Oz
MOYES, unknown origin >Oz
MILLARD, Wedmore, Somerset>Oz
Also BLAKE BASCOMB MILLER
|
|
|
Ozebeaver
RootsChat Extra
Offline
Posts: 9
|
Hi Barb,
Can you tell me where you found him in Canada or what led you there. I did see his death in SA under Youngs. Seems like you have found out quite a bit about his parents and family - just wondering if someone had made contact with you.
Liz
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
Blue_angel2
RootsChat Extra
Offline
Posts: 48
Looking here & there, trying to find em everywhere
|
Hi Liz,
long story but in essence i went to enter some more info on the Australasian BMD exchange after I got Emery and his wife's certificates, and Lo and behold, someone else was looking for him too! We have been communicating ever since, and trying to put the jigsaw together. She had a lot of information from another cousin, who had also sent copies of letters between Australia and America following Emery's death, which confirmed the Canada US link. So we are all in touch now, and she has regular contact with Youngs cousins in America.
Until then, both of us had found a lot of references to Emery Youngs in US, (The name carries through in the children too) genealogy sources, but discounted them as not being ours because we were still looking in Scotland.
My cousin on the other side of the family and i are working together on that one (my dad's side), and she is going to try to get some information for me about the place in Canada where Emery was born, in 1832. Would it be of any help if you sent me some of the details about who you are looking for and i ask if she can find anything out for you too???
I think a lot of Scots went to Ontario, Quebec and Nova Scotia, but am not 100% sure about that.
cheers for now,
Barb
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
researching:YOUNGS/YOUNG 1700's Scotland>Canada>USA>Aus:
CASTLE, Wickhambreaux area Kent>Aus:
CORKE/CORK, Kent, IRE; Aus:
SUTER, Birmingham, Warwickshire>Aus
TAYLOR, STOREY, DAVIES, BROWN, HOLROYD, POTTS, Manchester, Eng
KAY, Manchester
O'SHEA Co Cork Ireland > Oz:
DONNELLY, co Tyrone Ireland>Oz:
HURRELL, Barnstaple, Devon:
COFFEY, IRE; London>NSW, Oz
MOYES, unknown origin >Oz
MILLARD, Wedmore, Somerset>Oz
Also BLAKE BASCOMB MILLER
|
|
|
|
Pages: 1 2 [3] 4
|
|
|
|
|
