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rhoosesue
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I am directly descended from three of the 1820 settlers from Wiltshire, but I live in the UK and so research in South Africa is difficult. I received tremendous help from people on the SA Rootsweb lists, who are very generous about doing lookups. They in turn find it difficult to research their ancestors in the UK prior to 1820, so I have been trying to put something back by doing these transcriptions. I have learned a huge amount about the settler project and about life in Britain in 1819 as a result. Originally it was just going to be the settler correspondence, but I found the letters from those who didn't get to emigrate contained such a wealth of genealogical and social information that I just had to do the lot. Thanks to broadband, listers around the world have been helping with the transcriptions.
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Chandler (Kent), Philbrook (Essex), Blacklock and McKenzie (London), Poynton (Leicestershire), Sinclair (Caithness) Ross and Mather (Sutherland)
1820 Settlers to South Africa (James' Party)
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slightlyfoxed
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I am researching and trying to write the story , as a novel, of my 3 X greatgrandmother who was one of the 1820 settlers on 'Ocean'
I am stumbling over small domestic details like ,where did they get there water from at the outset? and how did they plough their lands before they obtained oxen. They arrived with nothing but their chattles. Inventiveness in this case has to be backed up with fact!!
I have had some excellent books via my local library (in UK) from the British Librar, but they didnt really answer all my question.
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Pomeroy in London & Liverpool , Pomery near Launceston Cornwall, Shearer of Thurso, Moore in Colchester Essex, Hornblow in Braintree Essex, Machin ,Cook in Herts, Campbell, Sutherland, Mackay, Brotchie, Gunn. Cadle in South Africa.
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rhoosesue
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Hi! I presume from your list of interests that your 3xgreat grandmother was either a wife or daughter of John Henry CADLE who sailed in the 'Ocean' with HOWARD's Party?
The main book on the Settlers, The Settler Handbook by M.D.Nash, is now on line at www.genealogyworld.net . On the same site you can find my transcription of the log of the 'Weymouth', which tells you what the settlers had to eat on the voyage etc. I know it's not the same ship, but pretty similar I imagine. A lot of the settlers wrote diaries, may of which have been published in their own right, but extracts can be found in many books on the settlers. I have a copy of Wendy Beal Preston's 'Story of a Frontier Family' (about the MILES family) which is excellent. There are also extracts of interest under Topics on Paul Tanner-Tremaine's site at www.1820settlers.com. I have also transcribed lots of extracts from the Grahamstown Journal and other South African newspapers held at Kew and these are also online under the 1820 settler section of www.genealogy world.net
There are two excellent Rootsweb lists, the Eastern Cape and the Immigrants British list, with really helpful and knowledgeable people. It may be worth your joining one of them, but if you go to http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/ZAF/ you can at least search their archives.
All the best
Sue
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Chandler (Kent), Philbrook (Essex), Blacklock and McKenzie (London), Poynton (Leicestershire), Sinclair (Caithness) Ross and Mather (Sutherland)
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slightlyfoxed
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She was John Cadles wife, her second of 4 husbands. Her name was Sarah Hornblow. She had 5 children by him before he died in the floods and 6th born after his death.
I set up a website in her honour http://geocities.com/sarahs_children/
Through the Chequered Path by Pamela Barnes revealed a lot about the lives of the Settlers and made several mentions of Sarah with things I had no previous idea about.
I got hold of 1820 Settlers .Lynne Bryers Kieth Hunt .Don Nelson. Cape Town 1984. British Library
The 1820 Settlers. Editor Guy Butler. Human& Rousseau. Cape Town 1974. British Library
Memorial to the 1820 Settlers.Editor Grahamstown Gazette.1844.South Africa. reprint 1977 British Library
The Story of the British Settlers of 1820 in South Africa, HE Hockly. Juta, Cape Town 2nd Ed 1957 British Library
The 1820 Settlers of Salem. A E Makin. Jula & Co Wynberg. SA 1971 British Library
Thanks for your input I will check out the sites you mention and hunt down the book too. Its not really genealogy more social history.
It seems period between the Georgians and Victorians isnt well covered in social history books, and Im finding it difficult to find info on South Africa at the time anyway.There is plenty of Political history but very little social.
I havent been able to find a single thing about Salem Hills which was where Howards Party settled. It doesnt appear on maps. It was quite seperate from Salem.
I am still hoping that I can find something on the Race Track that John Cadle opened somewhere in the Grahamstwonarea when he first got there.
Thanks for your help
Annie
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rhoosesue
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I have seen this website before whilst in e-mail correspondence with someone trying to track down George Moore. Might have been in response to one of my Grahamstown Journal postings. Was it you? Will have a llok through my files and see if anything crops up, but no longer have copies of outgoing e-mails further back than two months.
Sue
OK, have just had a look, and I think the GTJ posting which prompted the query was a passenger list with a George Moore going to SA. My correspondent wanted to know if I knew anything more about him, in case he hadn't died, but sadly I have no more information.
However, I have found details of the plot of land on which Sarah lived. Go to http://www.genealogyworld.net/settlers/proclamation.html and type in Cadle into the Search this Page and you should get two hits, one as Sarah Cadle and one as Sarah Thomas.
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slightlyfoxed
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Thanks Sue I will pursue the newsletter. I already have that proclamation regards lands.
It was me hunting for George Moore in SA. Im firmly convinced Sarah 's first husband didnt die in 1814 and that the 2nd marriage was bigamous! That was just the way they dealt with unsatisfactory marriages back then.... All part of the rich tapestry that is history!
What do you think???
After John Cadle died Sarah was apparantly in a desperate situation with numerous children to care for. although she must have had Cadles Bar she asked William Howard helped her draft a plea for financial assistance, to the Relief Fund . She was awarded 500 rix- dollars ( 1 rix-dollar was about 1 shilling and 6 pence) had been allocated to her but for some reason the local authorities simply dishonoured the bills when they were presented.
Sarah had control of John’s property but 9 months after she had pleaded for assistance she still had received no help. The Society for the Relief of Distressed Settlers was able to help her out with a small loan of 50 rix-dollars.
Where do you thing that application might be, if it still exists! I'd love to discover the reason for it. Pamela Barnes must have found some reference to it as she mentions it in her book, BUT where? Nothing came up is National Archives SA
Im puzzzled as to why, if she had a presumably flourishing Bar /Canteen , she was in desperate financial need? Unless the floods demolished it? Would being female in 1823 have posed a problem running a bar?
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annie
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Good idea.
Thanks for the browse offer unfortunately Im no longer have a car so swift travel is a thing of the past for me!
regards
annie
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I have that map which is interesting I also hand copied a map of the plots of the Howard Party from one of the several books I got.
As you actually went to SA maybe you can tell me alittle about what the landscape is like??? Trying to describe the environment is really quite difficult with no idea as to what it is really like apart from visual impressions from books and films.,
Ive made contact with Mr Jervois before so I could do so again. I was hoping that somewhere there might be a Photo of GGG grandmama, but there wasnt! I live in hope of one turning up because all I have is a very small image of her grandaughter circa 1890. He thought she was too early but I think there were a few photographs around before she died in 1843. I was hoping she might have had one done when she married her last husand in 1828 but I suspect that might be a tad early...
Thanks Sue
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Annie
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I did that and came up with lots of dead animals when what I is landcapes ! Maybe its because I am a painter and photographer that I have a deep need for visual imput!!
I need to look again I guess!
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Annie
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