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BURTENSHAW - Sussex & Surrey
« on: Saturday 28 October 06 11:54 BST (UK) »
My ggrandmother, Amy BURTENSHAW, b1899 Redhill, Surrey.

My ggrandfather was a Canadian soldier, KIA date unknown, GRANT, unknown if this was his first or last name.

Amy's parent's Philip & Mary A, were hawkers, originally from Horsham, Sussex.

My grandfather's name is Harry Burchell however on his birth certificate he is registered as Harry, no fathers name, mother - Amy Burtenshaw, 14 December 1917, Lyndhurst Cottage, Bramshott, Shottermill R.D.  Farnham sub-district.

It wasn't registered until 11 March 1918...is that normal? I figure Christmas has a little to do with it but what could be other reasons?

Amy later remarries Arthur BURCHELL and my grandfather was married in this name however there was no legal change of name.

Im wondering if there was a place for women to have children, as she was unmarried at the time.
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Re: BURTENSHAW - Sussex & Surrey
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 23 May 07 13:14 BST (UK) »
no the gap between birth and registartion is not normal as far as i am aware they had a certain period of time to register the birth if a name wasn't chosen they had to register the birth anyway as infant / male child of and then later reregister it with the change of name.

there were places to go to to have children if they mother was unmarried mostly the chilkd was adopted after this. a lot of these were run by churches. i am not sure if that applied to the years you are talkign about though.


when i get home i will re-read the rules i have for regsitering a baby and let you know further.
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Re: BURTENSHAW - Sussex & Surrey
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 23 May 07 17:57 BST (UK) »
If they were travelling people they probably waited until they were near a registry office.  You are lucky they registered it!   Try looking up Lyndhurst Cottage on an earlier census and see if it was a private house or a home of some sort.  Googling it may help.  The birth would probably have been registered earlier if it was a home though.
It was very common to take the name of a stepfather too.  If they married when he was small he may not have realised it was not his dad.
It would be a long shot but if the real father was KIA then he should be on the Commonwealth Graves site.  You could search for every Grant - as first or last name.  You can specify Canadian so that should cut it down.
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« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 23 May 07 18:57 BST (UK) »
the late registration of a child's birth to parents who were later married to each other might record a false birth date to conceal illegitimacy. a child born out of wedlock was usually registered under its mothers surname though there was nothing to prevent an informant naming or inventing a father prior to 1875.##until 1874 the district registrars were charged with collecting the informantion about all births within their areas, thereafter the responsibility rested with the parents . in the early years some parents chose whether to have them registered or baptized but not both.
starting in september 1911 the mothers maiden name is recorded in birth indexes making it easier to identify the correct birth record.
births were registered in the area they took place this might not be the parents usual address for example if you livedin Leicester and were visiting family in Brighton when you happened to pop the birth would be registered in Brighton.
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« Reply #4 on: Thursday 24 May 07 05:08 BST (UK) »
The attestation papers for the CEF (Canadian Expeditionary Force) in WW1 are online but I see there are near on a thousand for the surname GRANT alone Roll Eyes

http://www.collectionscanada.ca/archivianet/cef/index-e.html

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« Reply #5 on: Thursday 24 May 07 07:27 BST (UK) »
Thankyou for taking the time to help.  I have tried a few of the suggestions prior, and have had little success.

Cry Sad as it is, my Grandfather Harry died this morning, at 4.15am.  I guess the knowledge goes with him. 

But my search will continue......
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Re: BURTENSHAW - Sussex & Surrey
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 24 May 07 07:51 BST (UK) »
Oh Jaynarbz

I am so sorry to hear your sad news Sad

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« Reply #7 on: Monday 28 January 08 13:01 GMT (UK) »
1 John Burtenshaw cox
Birth:   1796, Clayton
Birth:   1800, Lindfield
Death:   1885
Occ:   Yeoman
Father:   Richard Burtenshaw Cox (1745-1822)
Mother:   Sarah Vernon

Extract from the  Marriage Index: Place: Ardingly, West ,  Date:  3 Jan 1836: Subject: John BURTENSHAW, bach Spouse: Jane WICKING, sp botp  (B)   BT  1841 Haywards Heath, Cuckfield     Roberts, Frederick, 7, No Burtenshaw,  John, 40, LB, Y  ?June/Jane, 25, No  John, 4, Y Inness, female, 7 months, Y

Extract from the  Marriage Index: Place: East Chiltington, East ,  Date: 26 Oct 1825: Subject: John Burtenshaw COX, bach Chailey Spouse: Sophia EGLES, sp otp (B)  

Spouse:   Jane Wickens
Birth:   1812, Hadlow Kent
Father:   James Wickens
Mother:   Phoebe
Marr:   21 Jan 1836, Ardingly

Children:   John (1836-)
   James (1840-)
   Philip (1847-1897)
   Fanny (1849-)
   Clara (1853-)
   Frederick (1855-)
   Alfred (1858-)
   George Burtenshaw (1824-)

Other Spouses Sophia Egles, Sophia Constable

1.1 John Burtenshaw
Birth:   1836, Ardingly

unmarried  45

1.2 James Burtenshaw
Birth:   1840, Keymer

1.3 Philip Burtenshaw
Birth:   1847, Clayton/Lindfield
Death:   1897, Horsham  area
Occ:   Hawker and marine store collector

Spouse:   Mary
Birth:   1852, slaugham
Marr:   no trace

Children:   Mary Anne (1867-)
   Frederick (1871-)
   Philip (1872-)
   James (1876-)
   Alfred (1879-)
   Clara (1882-)
   William (1884-)
   Henry (1887-)
   George (1890-)

1.3.1 Mary Anne Burtenshaw
Birth:   1867, Clayton

Spouse:   Jesse Holmes
Marr:   1892, Hambeldon area

1.3.2 Frederick Burtenshaw
Birth:   1871, Partridge green
Occ:   hawker

1.3.3 Philip Burtenshaw
Birth:   1872, Clayton/horsham
Occ:   Hawker

Spouse:   Mary Anne Smith
Birth:   1874, Redhill
Marr:   1894, Redhill

Children:   Mary Anne (1895-)
   Philip (1897-)
   Amy (1898-)
   un named (1901-)

1.3.3.1 Mary Anne Burtenshaw
Birth:   1895

1.3.3.2 Philip Burtenshaw
Birth:   1897

1.3.3.3 Amy Burtenshaw
Birth:   1898, Cowfold

1.3.3.4 un named Burtenshaw
Birth:   1901, Cowfold

1.3.4 James Burtenshaw
Birth:   1876, Horsham
Occ:   Hawker

Spouse:   Alice Booker
Birth:   1874, Horsham
Marr:   1895, Horsham

Children:   James (1896-)
   Clara (1899-)
   Marshall Frederick (1901-)

1.3.4.1 James Burtenshaw
Birth:   1896, Horsham

1.3.4.2 Clara Burtenshaw
Birth:   1899, Warnham

1.3.4.3 Marshall Frederick Burtenshaw
Birth:   1901, Warnham

Spouse:   Lillian Spooner
Birth:   1902, Horsham

Children:   Roy (1931-)

1.3.4.3.1 Roy Burtenshaw
Birth:   1931, Warnham

Spouse:   Doreen Hillman

1.3.5 Alfred Burtenshaw
Birth:   1879, Horsham

1.3.6 Clara Burtenshaw
Birth:   1882, Horsham

ELIZABETH CLARA ON CENSUS AS CLARA

1.3.7 William Burtenshaw
Birth:   1884, Horsham

1.3.8 Henry Burtenshaw
Birth:   1887, Horsham

1.3.9 George Burtenshaw
Birth:   1890, Horsham

1.4 Fanny Burtenshaw
Birth:   1849, Lindfield/newick

widow 1881 sis  of John 1794 Clayton  wllia is with him 1881 say nephew ?? but is grandparents??

Spouse:   William Piper
Marr:   23 Jul 1870, Brighton
with uncle John b Clayton

1.5 Clara Burtenshaw
Birth:   1853, Beeding

children

Spouse:   George Bracker
Birth:   Wiltshire
Marr:   25 Dec 1874, Clayton

1.6 Frederick Burtenshaw
Birth:   1855, Lower beeding

father on marr says born hailsham 91 but is resident there

Spouse:   Elizabeth (Betsey) Murrey
Birth:   1856, Brighton
Marr:   18 Oct 1879, Clayton

Children:   John (1874-)
   Susannah (1876-)
   Fanny (1880-)
   Robert Simeon (1882-1943)
   Philip (1884-)
   Clara (1886-)
   George (1889-)

1.6.1 John Burtenshaw
Birth:   1874, Burgesshill

1.6.2 Susannah Burtenshaw
Birth:   1876, Burgesshill

1.6.3 Fanny Burtenshaw
Birth:   1880, Burgesshill

Spouse:   Richard Theobalds
Marr:   1904, Coventry

1.6.4 Robert Simeon Burtenshaw
Birth:   1882, Burgesshill
Death:   1943, Wivelsfield

Wivelsfield  St JOHN BAPT Inscription: In loving memory / of / a devoted husband and father / ROBERT SIMEON  BURTENSHAW / who passed away 7th March 1943 / aged 61 years

Spouse:   Nelllie M Taylor
Marr:   1910

1.6.5 Philip Burtenshaw
Birth:   1884, Burgesshill


1.6.6 Clara Burtenshaw
Birth:   1886, Burgesshill

1.6.7 George Burtenshaw
Birth:   1889, Burgesshill

1.7 Alfred Burtenshaw
Birth:   1858, Steyning
Birth:   1860, Clayton

not sure if right father but father on marr

Spouse:   Ellen Vigar
Birth:   1857, Brighton
Marr:   13 Mar 1879, Brighton

Children:   Alfred (1879-)
   Edith louise (1901-)

1.7.1 Alfred Burtenshaw
Birth:   1879, Brighton
Occ:   butcher

with grandparents Vigar 1881

Spouse:   Alice maud Perrin
Birth:   1878, Woodford Essex
Marr:   Mar 1900

Children:   Ellen May (1900-)

1.7.1.1 Ellen May Burtenshaw
Birth:   1900, Lindfield

1.7.2 Edith louise Burtenshaw
Birth:   1901, Lewes

adopted

1.8 George Burtenshaw Constable
Birth:   1824, Lindfield

with Burtenshaw 1851



George Burtinshaw Constable 1851 Oct-Nov-Dec    Lewes  , East    
Charlotte Ann Gallop 1851 Oct-Nov-Dec    Hastings (1837-1977)    
Stephanie Josephine Anastair Pauline Legendre 1851 Oct-Nov-Dec    Lewes
Jane Piper 1851 Oct-Nov-Dec    Lewes  , East    
Mary Ann Tomset 1851 Oct-Nov-Dec    Lewes  , East    

1841
Edward Constable 60  
Eliza Constable 20  
Fanny Constable 3  
George Constable 15  
Harriet Constable 9  
William Constable 15  
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