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1820 settlers
« on: Sunday 29 October 06 12:12 UTC (UK) »

I want to find a letter written by Sarah Cadle appealing for financial assistance after the flood disaster of 1823 in the Albany Settlement.
I have not found it in Nat. Archive of SA so has anyone any ideas where I might find it?

background info:-
She arrived on Ocean with husband (2/4)  John Cadle and 4 children April 1820. They initially settled with Howards party's  plot at Salem Hills. John died in the floods of Oct 1823 leaving Sarah Cadle in a desperate situation with numerous children to care for. William Howard helped her draft a plea for financial assistance to a Relief Fund .
She had 500 rix- dollars allocated to her, ( 1 rix-dollar was about 1 shilling and 6 pence) but  for some reason the local authorities simply dishonoured the bills when they were presented.
I cannot find which fund this was as I believe there were two. One set up by Somerset the very unpopular Governor, (which I have a vague idea was shunned by the settlers, but I may be wrong)  and another set up by well wishers, which I believe was The Society for the Relief of Distressed Settlers.
Sarah had control of John’s property but 9 months after she had pleaded for assistance she still had received no help.
The Society for the Relief of Distressed Settlers was able to help her out with a small loan of 50 rix-dollars.

Where is that  letter of appeal likely to be?
Any advance on zero info would be a distinct improvement!!!

foxy

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Re: 1820 settlers
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 29 October 06 19:40 UTC (UK) »

Don't think for a moment that you want to spend £1500 but have a look at
http://www.polybiblio.com/ximenes/B5129.html
Maybe you could find out if this book is in the Cory Library in Grahamstown or somewhere similar, then try to find someone to do a lookup

Sue
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Re: 1820 settlers
« Reply #2 on: Monday 30 October 06 13:48 UTC (UK) »

 £1500 you are joking! and I thought R500 for the much mentioned Pamela Barnes Book was bad enough! I have never wanted a book that badly and Im a bibliophile...
Now that link is really useful! Thanks Sue
regards
Annie
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« Reply #3 on: Saturday 25 November 06 05:02 UTC (UK) »


Have you had a look at the 1820 Settler pages at www.genealogyworld.net? Transcriptions of Settler Correspondence have been provided by Sue Mackay - there isn't a CADLE letter under the 'C' names but the source may give you a clue as to where to find such a letter in The National Archives at Kew. You could ask Sue directly -
contact me through my web pages above for details.

I assume you have seen the entry on CADLE, George Ellis (son of John Henry) in Shelagh Spencer's volume 4? This includes a brief bio of John Henry and family as well as much on George, who was the child born posthumously after John Henry drowned 1823.

Regards, Mole
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Re: 1820 settlers
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 22 February 07 08:40 UTC (UK) »

I want to find a letter written by Sarah Cadle appealing for financial assistance after the flood disaster of 1823 in the Albany Settlement.
I cannot find which fund this was as I believe there were two. One set up by Somerset the very unpopular Governor, (which I have a vague idea was shunned by the settlers, but I may be wrong)  and another set up by well wishers, which I believe was The Society for the Relief of Distressed Settlers.
 foxy

Sarah's letter is not included, but you might be interested to read the 1823 Report of the Committee for Distressed Settlers which I have just transcribed and put on line at
http://www.genealogyworld.net/settlers/correspondence/1823%20Distressed%20Settlers%20Report.htm

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Re: 1820 settlers
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 22 February 07 09:17 UTC (UK) »

Thank You. I shall read that with interest.
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Re: 1820 settlers
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 03 March 07 13:41 UTC (UK) »

Transcriptioon of 1825 Distressed Settlers Report now also on line at
http://www.genealogyworld.net/settlers/correspondence/1825%20Distressed%20Settlers%20Report.htm

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Re: 1820 settlers
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 04 March 07 13:20 UTC (UK) »

Many thanks.
I recently read that the railway siding at Harpers is on what was originally the village plot given to John Cadle. Too small to find on-line I suspect.
I also found out that Manley Flats is what the Salem Hills area is now called.  I found some amateur photographs on line to give an idea of just what the place looks like. (I Google Manley Flats)
AND if anybody watched the series in UK on BBC2 Safari School that was set on the Shamawi Games reserve which I realised  lies between Port Elizabeth and Grahamstown ...another piece to the jigsaw for those wanting to know what the land was/is actually like!
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Re: 1820 settlers
« Reply #8 on: Saturday 05 May 07 09:39 UTC (UK) »

Latest transcription of a report by the Rev John PHILIP dated 1824 mentions your Sarah CADLE

http://www.genealogyworld.net/settlers/correspondence/CO48-69%201824%20Report%20of%20John%20Phillip%20re%20Distressed%20Settlers.htm

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Re: 1820 settlers
« Reply #9 on: Sunday 06 May 07 08:44 UTC (UK) »

Thanks for that. Itsa all of interest although I do already have that letter.
Thanks again
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Re: 1820 settlers
« Reply #10 on: Saturday 12 May 07 08:11 UTC (UK) »

Try 1820 Settlers.Com
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Re: 1820 settlers
« Reply #11 on: Saturday 12 May 07 22:20 UTC (UK) »

Hello Foxy,

I accidently surfed upon your reference to a "CADLE" family in RSA.

My neighbour is a Grand-daughter of  -

Johan John Jurgens ROSS b23 Dec 1863 and Elizabeth Elzie Susannah CADLE b26 Sep 1867 both born in Graaf Reinett, RSA: 

They married c1890 and their off-spring included her mother -

Elizabeth Cadle ROSS b23 Mar 1909 Harrismith  RSA

Could these be descendants of the impoverished family in your posting?

Regards

EDO
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« Reply #12 on: Sunday 13 May 07 08:11 UTC (UK) »

could well be the same family. Im not particulary familiar with the Cadle descendents because they are not my direct line but I know of several people who are...including  Derek  in Australia.

If you go to my website on Sarah Hornblows Children there is a link to him and other Cadle descendents at the foot of the page. There are also several Cadle page there that list the 3 trees which I know of , there are udoubatbly more so far unresearched.
www.geocities.com/sarahs_children/index.

Take a look at the  page of family faces....behind the owl on the home page.

There is a Cadle Book which I think Derek has and that lists the whole family.
good hunting
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Re: 1820 settlers
« Reply #13 on: Sunday 13 May 07 10:53 UTC (UK) »

Good morning "SlightlyFoxed",

With thanks for your response to my posting re a CADLE family member who BDM'd in RSA.

I have viewed the pages and have communicated directly with the present-day family members.......  Their reply will be interesting.

Sincerely

EDO
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« Reply #14 on: Sunday 13 May 07 11:01 UTC (UK) »

it is all facinating ...Im completely hooked on genealogy!
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