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elusive John Bullivant
« on: Friday 11 January 08 19:32 GMT (UK) »

I'm still searching for John Bullivant born 1786 and married in Torksey. Now I'm trying a new direction. His son was married in 1837 and on the marriage certifiate there is a witness whose name is Robert Bullivant. He had a brother Robert who died 13 years before so obviously Robert is a family name but who is this witness? In the 1841 census there are only 2 Roberts old enough to be a witness but one is a lace maker in Nottingham and the other a bookbinder from Warwickshire. The other is only 3. I've looked for death dates of any Robert Bullivants but haven't found any between 1837 and 1841. The only Robert I could think of was possibly from Horncastle as I note on IGI there was a Robert and Mary Bullivant who had a son John in 1797. Can anyone find a suitable Robert? Horncastle is my bet as it had strong connections to Torksey through the waterway (which was surveyed by a Richard Bullivant from Horncastle)


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Re: elusive John Bullivant
« Reply #1 on: Friday 11 January 08 20:15 GMT (UK) »

Not sure what Im looking for but found these 2 families on same page 1841

Richard Bulivant 25 ag lab
Mary 25
Cathrine 4
James 2
Mary 6mths
Hannah Fowler 45
Martha Selby 30
William Selby 1
all born in county

John Bulivant 35 ag lab
Elizabeth 35
Robert 10
Mary 5
James 3
John Gunby?6

Messingham Glanford Brigg
HO107 640/17 fol 34 p 8


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Re: elusive John Bullivant
« Reply #2 on: Friday 11 January 08 20:25 GMT (UK) »

1841
John Bulivant 55 butcher
Martha 45
Job 20
Betsey 14
Charles 6
Susan 4
all born in county
Torksey
HO107 647/2 fol 6 p6


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Re: elusive John Bullivant
« Reply #3 on: Friday 11 January 08 22:10 GMT (UK) »

Thanks but I should have explained better. I know John from his marriage. I don't know where he came from before. There are no Bullivants in the Torksey and Marton parish records before him. His son married in 1837 so the Robert Bullivant present as witness would have to be at least 12 but probably an adult. Maybe if I could trace him I could find where John originated. On the census it says John came from Lincoln but I haven't found any record so far. Another problem is he goes by 2 surnames Bullivant Robinson but the Robinson is dropped a few years on. He was married by special licence but any record of that seems to be lost. He was a butcher so I looked in apprentice records but couldn't find him but mispellings of the surname are common so I may have missed it. The Lincoln Archives tried on their computer and didn't find anything but there again there are about 20 ways the name can be spellt. I also tried the Bastardy records but didn't find him there. This Robert is my only clue to a family elsewhere.


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Re: elusive John Bullivant
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 13 January 08 23:19 GMT (UK) »

John Bullivant is still living in 1851 - living in Horsforth with wife Martha and youngest daughter Sususanna. Reports b in Lincoln wife Martha Brown in Torksey

Again in 1861 - John and Martha still living now in Guisborough - still reporting b in Lincoln

In 1871 - Johns Widow is living in Headinglet

As you will know, when he married Martha Brown he was known as John Bullivant Robinson and his children were mostly baptised giving alternative names viz
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I think it highly likely that John was illigitimate

I thought that his parents may be Ambrose Bullivent and Mary Robinson married in 1789 - but they have a John baptised 1805

It might be worth checking if there is a Bastardy Order.

Also, I think that someone is doing a Bullivant One Name Study and it might help.

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Re: elusive John Bullivant
« Reply #5 on: Monday 14 January 08 09:05 GMT (UK) »

Thanks I've done all that. Bastardy resettlement you name it.
It's this Robert that I'm hoping is a clue because he is the only Bullivant I've found outside the immediate family. There was a Robert Bullivant in IGI in Horncastle but not sure if he would be alive by 1837. Can't find any deaths in Free BMD of any Roberts between 1837 and 1841.


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Re: elusive John Bullivant
« Reply #6 on: Monday 14 January 08 11:51 GMT (UK) »

There is this Robert who could be a complete red herring. Slightly different spelling of the surname and all instances further north away from Lincoln.

Marriages Jun 1841
BULLIVENT Robert Hull 22 287
Gowsal Mary Ann Hull 22 287

BULLIVANT, Maria
Christening Date:8 Feb 1843 Wrawby, Lincolnshire
Father:Robert BULLIVANT
Mother:Mary Ann

Births Mar 1843
Bullivent Maria Glanfd Brigg 14 368
Deaths Sep 1843
BULLIVENT Maria Glanford Brigg 14 204
Burial 11th September 1843 All Saints Wrawby
Maria Bullivant aged 7 months

Births Sep 1844
Bullivent John Clark Glanford Brigg 14 329
Deaths Sep 1844
BULLIVENT John Clark Glanford Brigg 14 204
BULLIVENT Mary Ann Glanford Brigg 14 203
Burial 15th July 1844 All Saints Wrawby
Mary Ann Bullivant aged 22

JOHN CLARKE BULLIVENT
Christening: 19 MAY 1797 Wrawby, Lincoln
Father: GEORGE BULLIVENT
Mother: MARY

ROBERT CUTSFORTH BULLIVANT
Christening: 31 AUG 1820 Wrawby, Lincoln
Father: JOHN CLARK BULLIVANT
Mother: JANE

JOHN CLARK BULLIVENT
JANE CUTSFORTH
Marriage: 17 MAY 1817 Sculcoates, Yorkshire

GEORGE BULLIVANT
MARY CLARK
Marriage: 19 MAY 1789 Scawby, Lincoln

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MARY BULLIVENT
Christening: 04 MAR 1792 Grayingham, Lincoln
ANN BULLIVENT
Christening: 04 MAR 1792 Grayingham, Lincoln
CATHERINE BULLIVANT
Christening: 02 AUG 1795 Grayingham, Lincoln

If of course the Robert Bullivant you are searching for went by the surname of Robinson as well, that would make it exceedingly difficult to pin him down.

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Re: elusive John Bullivant
« Reply #7 on: Monday 14 January 08 14:12 GMT (UK) »

Wrawby and Glanford Brigg sound interesting. There does seem to be a connection with Hull too as later one of the family married there and another moved there. Different Spellings of the surname don't bother me as the surname is rarely spelt the same twice. Wonder why I can't get these Roberts when I've looked up the 1841 census.


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Re: elusive John Bullivant
« Reply #8 on: Monday 14 January 08 15:45 GMT (UK) »

I would suggest that this is Robert's wife's baptism.

MARY ANNE GOWSELL
Christening: 12 MAY 1822 Wrawby, Lincoln
Father: THOMAS GOWSELL
Mother: MARIA

The family is in Glanford Brigg on the 1841 census (Gousel) Mary aged 15 but since she was over 15 her age would be rounded down to the nearest 5.

Singleton men are always the most difficult to find on censuses - they reckon up to about half a million managed to avoid the 2001 census.

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Re: elusive John Bullivant
« Reply #9 on: Monday 14 January 08 17:33 GMT (UK) »

Seems like Robert Cutsforth is a prime candidate Would Wrawby have strong connections with Torksey or Gainsborough? Is it on the ferry route?


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Re: elusive John Bullivant
« Reply #10 on: Monday 14 January 08 17:51 GMT (UK) »

Quote from: duckweed on Monday 14 January 08 17:33 GMT (UK)

Seems like Robert Cutsforth is a prime candidate Would Wrawby have strong connections with Torksey or Gainsborough? Is it on the ferry route?

Wrawby was the parish that included Brigg until 1850s http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/LIN/Wrawby/

Brigg was connected to the Humber by the River Ancholme
http://www.environment-agency.gov.uk/subjects/navigation/747415/788356/150323/?lang=_e


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Re: elusive John Bullivant
« Reply #11 on: Monday 14 January 08 18:29 GMT (UK) »

I don't really see how this Robert Bullivant can be a 'prime suspect'. Other than he is called Robert Bullivant and of the right age and in Lincolnshire he doesn't really seem to have anything else going for him.

His grandfather George married in Scawby in 1789 (later than John Bullivant/Robinson's proposed birth circa 1786 in Lincoln). Even if George had an illegitmate, or if he was previously married legitmate son and then another legitmate son also called John (Clark) in Wrawby in 1797 the nearest relationship Robert Cutsforth Bullivant could be to John Bullivant/Robinson's son would be a seemingly very distant first cousin.

What Robert Cutsforth Bullivant shows is that if there can be one Robert Bullivant that is difficult to spot there could easily be another especially if he used the surname Robinson as well.

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