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Adrianne
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Hi all,
Could someone look up some parish records for me please. I'm looking for the children of Henry MORRIS and Elizabeth BAILY/BAYLEY etc. between the years 1839 and 1851. Henry and Elizabeth were married in the district of Newport Pagnell in 1st Q 1839 according to bmd and in the 1841 census I think I've found them in Stoke Hammond.
In particular, I'm hoping to find a Mary bn c1842 and an Isabella. I have found one Isabella on the IGI in Loughton. Is this close?
Adrianne
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Australia - Baker, Morris, Hicks
Lancashire - Chalmers, Lingard
Kent - Godden, Wildish
Cornwall - Hicks
Devon - Baker
Lanarkshire - Allan, Finlayson, Hamilton, Hendry, Ingram, Reid, Scott, Semple, Stark, Thomson, Watson, Wilson
Renfrewshire - Dryburn, Harley, Nisbet, Pratt
Dumfriesshire - Henderson, Wright
Argyllshire - Campbell, McLean
Caithness - Cameron
Angus - Tasker
Ayrshire - Torrance
Perthshire - Hendry, Duncan, McIntosh
Ireland - Dunlop, Harley, Edgar, McCallum
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Valda
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Three 'children' were baptised in Loughton at the same time. Loughton is in Newport Pagnell registration district.
ISABELLA MORRIS
Christening: 08 OCT 1848 Loughton, Buckingham
MARGARET MORRIS
Christening: 08 OCT 1848 Loughton, Buckingham
ELIZABETH MORRIS
Christening: 31 JAN 1848 Loughton, Buckingham
Possible births if they were born in the Loughton area.
Births Sep 1844
Morris Isabella Newport Pagnell 6 358
Births Dec 1845
Morris Margarett Newport Pagl 6 351
Births Mar 1848
MORRIS Elizabeth Newport P 6 591
Stoke Hammond I believe is in Leighton Buzzard Registration district.
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Valda
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Adrianne
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Thankyou Valda!!
I had hoped that Loughton was in Newport Pagnell district 
The Morris family emigrated to Australia c1850 and we don't have surviving censuses here so finding siblings is a bit of a hit and miss thing. My direct ancestor was Mary though. Isabella was a wild guess as she was a witness at Mary's wedding
Can anyone find my Mary 
Adrianne
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Lancashire - Chalmers, Lingard
Kent - Godden, Wildish
Cornwall - Hicks
Devon - Baker
Lanarkshire - Allan, Finlayson, Hamilton, Hendry, Ingram, Reid, Scott, Semple, Stark, Thomson, Watson, Wilson
Renfrewshire - Dryburn, Harley, Nisbet, Pratt
Dumfriesshire - Henderson, Wright
Argyllshire - Campbell, McLean
Caithness - Cameron
Angus - Tasker
Ayrshire - Torrance
Perthshire - Hendry, Duncan, McIntosh
Ireland - Dunlop, Harley, Edgar, McCallum
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Valda
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What information about her birthplace is given on her death certificate? You might not have censuses but you have far more informative BMD certificates.
Does her father's occupation on her marriage certificate correspond to Henry Morris' occupation on the 1841 census at Stoke Hammond?
My Phillimore Atlas and index of Parish registers (a bit out of date) states there is no coverage of Stoke Hammond parish registers on the IGI and none for the period you are interested in on the BVRI.
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Valda
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Adrianne
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Hi Valda,
You're right, Australian bmd can be very informative, depending on which state you're in and how much info is known to begin with.
Mary was married in South Australia which has only very basic info. Her marriage cert says she was 19 on 20 Jun 1861 and her father was Henry Morris (occupations weren't recorded). A witness was Isabella Morris.
Her death was in Victoria, Australia. They have great certs. Her age was 60 on 22 June 1903. An approx birth year of 1842 is what I have been working with. The death cert also states she was born in Kent, England, her parents were Henry Morris, contractor and Elizabeth Bayley and that they had been in Australia since about 1852.
Stating the obvious - there are lots of Mary Morris's. So I looked for the marriage of her parents. The only match was 1st Q 1839 in Newport Pagnell.
Regarding the census, I only thought the 1841 census might be the one. I couldn't find Henry's occupation readable. (I see now I misread the GENUKI page on Stoke Hammond, it's in the hundred of Newport, not district of Newport Pagnell  )
I have checked the IGI. Mary doesn't come up with Henry and Elizabeth anywhere 
What is the BVRI
Adrianne
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Australia - Baker, Morris, Hicks
Lancashire - Chalmers, Lingard
Kent - Godden, Wildish
Cornwall - Hicks
Devon - Baker
Lanarkshire - Allan, Finlayson, Hamilton, Hendry, Ingram, Reid, Scott, Semple, Stark, Thomson, Watson, Wilson
Renfrewshire - Dryburn, Harley, Nisbet, Pratt
Dumfriesshire - Henderson, Wright
Argyllshire - Campbell, McLean
Caithness - Cameron
Angus - Tasker
Ayrshire - Torrance
Perthshire - Hendry, Duncan, McIntosh
Ireland - Dunlop, Harley, Edgar, McCallum
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Valda
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Kent isn't Buckinghamshire.
Bayley is more ususally spelt Bailey so you need to look under both spellings and before the start of civil registration in July 1837 as well after (Kent however is relatively poorly covered by the IGI which is an incomplete index even in counties with much better coverage like Buckinghamshire).
The BVRI is an extension of the IGI and is a collection of more baptisms and a lesser number of marriages on CDs. This website gives information on coverage.
http://genoot.com/downloads/BVRI2/
No baptism for a Mary or Isabella Morris on the BVRI parents Henry and Elizabeth. No marriage of a Henry Morris to an Elizabeth Bailey/Bayley on the BVRI.
The Henry Morris in Stoke Hammond's occupation on the 1841 census could be a poorly spelt 'platelayer'. If so he worked for the railway he might well have moved around because of his occupation.
'Platelayers laid and maintained railway track. Once a railway was built by contractors, the railway company employed platelayers who worked in gangs under a ganger...Each gang was responsible for the maintenance of a particular length. Nowadays railways are usually closed for a period for relaying track over a substantial section but in the 19th Century it was common for rails to be replaced one at a time between trains....The term dates from pre-railway times. The predecessors of railways were plateways.
I think you need to go back to South Australia and see if you can pick up the family from immigration records to find out more about them.
Regards
Valda
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Adrianne
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Hi Valda,
I do know Kent isn't Buckinghamshire 
Regarding the spelling of Bailey, I searched every phonetic spelling I could come up with, which was 12 ways. The match I found was Baily.
Thankyou for searching the BVRI 
Thanks for the info on Platelayers. 
I've tried finding their immigration records. They could have arrived at any port in Australia and unless the lists get put online, it's difficult to get to the records (South Australia is a 3 hr plane flight from my place ) ... that's if they've survived 
Thanks for your help Valda. I guess I was wishful thinking, hoping the death cert was wrong and she was born where her parents married.
Best Regards
Adrianne
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Australia - Baker, Morris, Hicks
Lancashire - Chalmers, Lingard
Kent - Godden, Wildish
Cornwall - Hicks
Devon - Baker
Lanarkshire - Allan, Finlayson, Hamilton, Hendry, Ingram, Reid, Scott, Semple, Stark, Thomson, Watson, Wilson
Renfrewshire - Dryburn, Harley, Nisbet, Pratt
Dumfriesshire - Henderson, Wright
Argyllshire - Campbell, McLean
Caithness - Cameron
Angus - Tasker
Ayrshire - Torrance
Perthshire - Hendry, Duncan, McIntosh
Ireland - Dunlop, Harley, Edgar, McCallum
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Valda
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If her death certificate was correct then she was born in Kent which may or may not be the county her parents married in or came from. You have not proved the 1839 marriage in Buckinghamshire was her parents but it is a possibility.
Have you searched for Isabella marriages after Mary's. I know it is difficult searching for siblings with surnames like Morris and I know her marriage will yield little or no information in South Australia but again she has a death certificate somewhere.
Is it likely that Henry and Elizabeth had more children after their arrival in South Australia? Do the birth indexes for South Australia (are there any) have parents' names on them?
I have searched the National Burial Index for Stoke Hammond and Loughton both of which have coverage between 1813-1851. No Morris burials. I cannot find either the Stoke Hammond family or the Loughton baptised girls on the 1851 or 1861 censuses (if they are giving births for these places - 1851 I checked all Henry Morrises married to Eliz.)
If Henry was involved in building railways that may be the work he followed. What occupation did Mary's husband have?
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Valda
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Adrianne
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Yes, I've searched the indexes for Isabella's marriage and death and have probably found them. The index didn't give a year or place for the marriage (bit odd but I noticed it wasn't the only one  ) but the death seems to fit - died 16 Jan 1914 aged 69. Have checked what would be on the cert and parent's details are not included.
I also found the birth of an Ann Morris, parents Henry Morris and Elizabeth Bailley, 18 Apr 1851 and her death 3 May 1851 aged 16 days. This birth would include her father's occupation. It looks like I might need to order this.
If Henry was involved in building railways that may be the work he followed. What occupation did Mary's husband have?
It's funny you should ask that. I was looking over old notes today and most of the records I have say Mary's husband was either a labourer(1866), farm servant(1861) or farmer(1889-1911), but 1 directory in 1882-3 states that he was a platelayer! Hhmmmm
Adrianne
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Australia - Baker, Morris, Hicks
Lancashire - Chalmers, Lingard
Kent - Godden, Wildish
Cornwall - Hicks
Devon - Baker
Lanarkshire - Allan, Finlayson, Hamilton, Hendry, Ingram, Reid, Scott, Semple, Stark, Thomson, Watson, Wilson
Renfrewshire - Dryburn, Harley, Nisbet, Pratt
Dumfriesshire - Henderson, Wright
Argyllshire - Campbell, McLean
Caithness - Cameron
Angus - Tasker
Ayrshire - Torrance
Perthshire - Hendry, Duncan, McIntosh
Ireland - Dunlop, Harley, Edgar, McCallum
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Valda
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I just thought Mary's husband might also be involved in railway building -a bit of an itinerant occupation and could be called railway contractors or more likely navvies, since railway contractors strictly speaking were the people with contracts to build the railways in the first place.
Platelayers maintained the track already built and worked for the railway company. You might find them on railway staffing records.
The Loughton baptisms will give the father's occupation, but then so will the potential birth certificate/s and obviously they will include the mother's maiden name as well.
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Valda
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twinkleberry
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Hi Adrianne
I'm in Adelaide and for 12 years have been doing free research for people all over the world who want information about ancestors/family who came to South Australia in the 1800's. I saw your request on this site and decided to see if I could find anything of interest to you.
I didn't have any of the information re this family pre South Australia, but have found the following which may be of some help.
MARRIAGE
Stephen Bowman aged 25 years, son of Thomas Bowman marired Margaret Morris, aged 19 years, daughter of Henry Morris married 8th November 1864 at residence of Mr. Morris, Port Wallaroo District adelaide reference book 60 page 36
BIRTH
Stephen Bowman born 10th March 1839 at Barton, Westmoreland, England.
CHILDREN BORN TO STEPHEN BOWMAN AND MARGARET MORRIS
1. Edmund born 6th June 1867 at Port Wallaroo District Daly reference book 53 page 595
2 Florence Isabella born 7th Decemebr 1868 at Wallaroo District Daly reference book 69 page 304
3. Lillian Margaret born 4th february 1871 at Wallaroo District Daly reference book 92 page 359
4. Thomas Henry born 3rd August 1865 at Wallaroo Bay, District Adelaide reference book 36 page 724
MARRIAGE
Edmund aged 25 years, single, son of Stephen Bowman married 22nd June 1892 to Jessie aged 24 years, single, daughter of Thomas Bult Harris at residence of Mrs. Andrew Taylor, Kadina District Daly reference book 171 page 1134
CHILDREN BORN TO EDMUND BOWMAN & JESSIE HARRIS
1. Clarence Fyfe born 2nd april 1895 at Kadina District Daly reference book 562 page 93
2. Edmund frank born 1st April 1893 at Kadina, District Daly reference book 518 pae 388
3. Eric Harris born 10th March 1879 at Kadina, District Daly reference book 600 page 261
4. Margaret Jean born 25th June 1899 at Kadina, District Daly reference book 642 page 305
MARRIAGE
Thomas /Davies, aged 24 years, single, son of Thomas Davies married 16th November 1892 to Florence Isabella aged 23 years, single, daughter of Stephen Bowman at Presbyterian Church, Wallaroo District Daly reference book 173 page 561
CHILD BORN TO THOMAS DAVIES & FLORENCE ISABELLA BOWMAN
1. Lewis Bayley born 3rd August 1893 at Wallaroo District Daly reference book 527 page 157 symbol 'S' denoting the Registar has included supplementary information on this birth record.
MARRIAGE
Thomas Henry aged 24 years, single, son of Stephen Bowman married 30th June 1890 to Louisa Emmeline aged 19 years, single, daughter of Alfred John Watts at St. Mary Church, Wallaroo District Daly reference book 163 page 1218.
CHILDREN BORN TO THOMAS HENRY BOWMAN & LOUISA EMMELINE WATTS.
1. Dorothy Isabel born 26th September 1891 at Wallaroo District Daly reference book 487 page 22
2. Errol Stephebn born 15th April 1893 at Wallaroo District Dly reference book 520 pae 116
3. Thomas reginald born 19th Decemebr 1894 at Wallaroo District Daly reference book 555 page 429
I hope the above is of some interest to you.
Regards
"Twinkleberry"
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Adrianne
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Hi Twinkleberry!
Wow! Thankyou! Very much appreciated!
Since starting this thread I had written on the Emigrants to Australia board and discovered the marriage for Margaret. Thank you so much for finding out about her offspring!!!
I was wondering... there is also a marriage for Isabella:
John BENNETT, aged 23, single, son of Thomas, = Isabella MORRIS, aged 26, single, daughter of Henry, married 6 Jun 1870 at the residence of William Wilson [or Milsom] in Paradise, Adelaide. Ref 85 p16
Could you find anything about them?
Best Regards
Adrianne
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Kent - Godden, Wildish
Cornwall - Hicks
Devon - Baker
Lanarkshire - Allan, Finlayson, Hamilton, Hendry, Ingram, Reid, Scott, Semple, Stark, Thomson, Watson, Wilson
Renfrewshire - Dryburn, Harley, Nisbet, Pratt
Dumfriesshire - Henderson, Wright
Argyllshire - Campbell, McLean
Caithness - Cameron
Angus - Tasker
Ayrshire - Torrance
Perthshire - Hendry, Duncan, McIntosh
Ireland - Dunlop, Harley, Edgar, McCallum
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twinkleberry
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Hi Adrianne
When I was in the South Aus. State Library yesterday doing some research, I looked up some information re Isabella Morris. It is not a huge amount, but may be of some help:=
MARRIAGE
John Bennett, aged 23 years, single, son of Thomas Bennett married 6th October 1870 to Isabella, aged 26 years, single, daughter of Henry Morris at residence of William Wilson, Paradise, District Adelaide reference book 85 page 16
CHILDREN BORN TO JOHN BENNETT & ISABELLA MORRIS
1. Edward Southall born 31st Octobr 1873 at Norwood, District Adelaide refrence book 128 page 172
2. Eliza Mary Jane born 20th September 1872 at Norwood, District Adelaide reference book 114 page 26
3. Fletcher Williams born 10th September 1871 at Norwood District Adelaide reference book 100 page 305
4. Henry thomas born 25th October 1876 at Norwood, District Adelaide reference book 174 page 137
5. Mabel Elizabeth born 23rd Mach 1879 at Norwood District Adelaide reference book 217 page 411.
MARRIAGES.
1. Fletcher Williams aged 20 years, single, son of John Bennett married 21st January 1892 to Florence Mabel aged 21 years, single, daughter fo John Thompson at residence of the Reverend E.G. Day, Adelaide District adelaide refernce book 170 page 318.
2. Henry Thomas aged 22 years, single, son of John Bennett married 29th Sepember 1898 to Emma May aged 23 years, single, daughter of Robert John Denford at the residence of J.G. Wright, of East Adelaide District Norwood reference book 196 page 1134.
3. George Lewis aged 26 years, single, son of William Durdin married 29th June 1903 to Mabel Elizabeth aged 24 years, single, daughter of John Bennett at Church of Christ Tabernacle, Norwood District Norwood reference book 215 page 1359
My intention is to do futher research on this familywhen I get time to go back to the Library soon e.g. children of each marriage, marriages of children of above marriages etc. deaths etc.
"Twinkleberry"
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Adrianne
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Wow, Twinkleberry
Thankyou for spending your time on this for me I appreciate it very much!!!
Best Regards
Adrianne
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Australia - Baker, Morris, Hicks
Lancashire - Chalmers, Lingard
Kent - Godden, Wildish
Cornwall - Hicks
Devon - Baker
Lanarkshire - Allan, Finlayson, Hamilton, Hendry, Ingram, Reid, Scott, Semple, Stark, Thomson, Watson, Wilson
Renfrewshire - Dryburn, Harley, Nisbet, Pratt
Dumfriesshire - Henderson, Wright
Argyllshire - Campbell, McLean
Caithness - Cameron
Angus - Tasker
Ayrshire - Torrance
Perthshire - Hendry, Duncan, McIntosh
Ireland - Dunlop, Harley, Edgar, McCallum
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