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runningbear
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mc gourlick from tyrone
« on: Thursday 09 November 06 19:25 UTC (UK) »

i need some help please in my search for the mcgourlick family. the mcgourlick family first appear on the Scottish censuses in 1881, they are detailed as from being from ireland, a search of the Griffith's says William mc gourlick, drumragh, Tyrone.

i have an Owen Mc Gourlick c1834

John Mc Gourlick c1843

Anne Mc Gourlick  c1844

William Mc Gourlick c1849


if anyone can help i would be deeply appreciative

Joe
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Re: mc gourlick from tyrone
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 16 November 06 17:29 UTC (UK) »

Hiya Joe,

Did you notice that William McGourlick was the only person with that surname in Ireland at the time of the Valuation? I looked in Irish Ancestors Surname Search as I feel the name may well have been spelt incorrectly prior to William's time. That Search is based on the Valuation but there was no mention of the surname there. This one could prove to be like looking for the proverbial "needle in a haystack"

I'm guessing McGourlick is an Anglicised version of an Irish name or a Scots name. You may need someone with a smattering of the Gaelic to tell you what the original name may have been. I'll do my best though and go for Gourley and McGourley as I'm not one hundred percent happy about that "lick"

There was one McGourley in Donegal, again the only one in Ireland, at the time of the Valuation....
Charles McGourley, Drumnaha, Clonleigh. Donegal.

There were no McGourlicks in the street directory of 1852.

I feel I'm safe in saying that there is a fairly close connection between Charles and William.

I hope I'm not leading you in the wrong direction with this theory.

I hope Karen, the kids and yourself are keeping well.

Chris.
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Re: mc gourlick from tyrone
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 16 November 06 21:19 UTC (UK) »

thank you so much my friend, nice to hear from you again.

you may be right about this irish/scottish gaelic spelling of mcgourlick, wonder if any rootchatters speak gaelic? and could help to tell us what it is?

since this initial post i have founf a John Mc Gourlick as a landowner in 1796, address given was:

Ardshankill, Drumkelvin, Lurg

hope this may help

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Re: mc gourlick from tyrone
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 16 November 06 21:39 UTC (UK) »

Hei Joe,

Look at this Amm McGourlick Marriage 1 Patrick HOUSTON b: 1844 in Knocknahoran, Tyrone, Ireland

I wonder if that's meant to be Ann?

There's more ... Distribution of McGourlick families in England and Wales in 1891.

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Re: mc gourlick from tyrone
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 16 November 06 23:39 UTC (UK) »

wow christopher... who would believe it... a houston with a mcgourlick....

stuck for words....

Joe
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Re: mc gourlick from tyrone
« Reply #5 on: Friday 17 November 06 00:03 UTC (UK) »

Would the Houston be related to the Houstons you are researching though Huh

Hei, Joe, I've spotted a Margaret Anne McGourlick of Johnstone. She posted a message on celticfc.net Cheesy

I don't know how how many McGourlicks you require. Should we look for as many as possible since there
were so few in Ireland? I think it might not be a bad idea .. what took them to Ireland for instance? Here's
one suggestion .. in the early 1800s Neil McCourt married Sarah McGourlick. They then reared their family somewhere in Co. Fermanagh between 1811-1827. I wonder if Sarah's relatives came to live in Ireland too. 
It's a great pity there are no passenger lists for voyages between Ireland and Britain. Have you any old tin boxes full of goodness knows what? It's amazing the things people keep.

Right, I knew there had to be variations on the name .. here they are .. McGorlick, McGourlick and McGoldrick ... that will do for starters. We may find a few more variations. If a Gaelic speaker sees these posts we may get some more. I think I received a PM some time ago from a lassie who speaks Gaelic. Certainly she spelt her name in that language although she wrote to me in English.

Ellen (of one of the spelling variations), born in Co. Fermanagh in 1923, married John Sheridan b 1816? at Pettigo on 20th July 1865. Pettigo is on the Fermanagh/Donegal border. Half in one county..half in the other.
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Re: mc gourlick from tyrone
« Reply #6 on: Friday 17 November 06 12:06 UTC (UK) »

thank you so much christopher for your enthusiasm to help get to the roots of the mcgourlicks.

because there is so few mentioned, but when they are mentioned they are mentioned as mc gourlick and not anything else, tends to make me think that there was no gaelic way of spelling their name.

when i have searched through the family births, i have found that the earlies that the family i am researching came to scotland around 1876-1878. the first birth was in 1879.

so previously i have john mc gourlick born around 1843, marries mary warnock around 1866. i only know of the children he brought to scotland so there may be some left in ireland with his parents patrick mc gourlick and mary breen.

catherine mc gourlick was born around 1869
francis mc gourlick was born around 1872
ellen mc gourlick was born around 1874
mary mc gourlick was born around 1876

this is as much information i have on the mc gourlicks.
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Re: mc gourlick from tyrone
« Reply #7 on: Friday 17 November 06 12:21 UTC (UK) »

Do you think you could interest Brian McGourlick of Barrhead in Family History as well as the Panto auditions in which he participates at the moment, Joe? Chelsea Cunningham might be interested too. If you can persuade them then RootsChat would have two new members.
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Re: mc gourlick from tyrone
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 19 November 06 21:54 UTC (UK) »

hi Christopher, further research has thrown up the gaelic name Mc Cuarlig going back to the 1700's in Scotland.

is there any Mc Cuarlig's in Ireland?
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Re: mc gourlick from tyrone
« Reply #9 on: Tuesday 21 November 06 13:39 UTC (UK) »

No McCuarligs, Joe.

I tried McCurley as it sounds similar ... no luck there however if you drop the Mc you'll discover lots of Curleys.
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Re: mc gourlick from tyrone
« Reply #10 on: Saturday 25 November 06 14:29 UTC (UK) »

hi Christopher, i think its as your very first post to this thread, "looking for a needle in a haystack" the only thing in my favour was that the children were born after civil registration was introduced in 1864, so there may be a chance that i could get a hold of their birth lines.

what do Irish birth lines contain my friend?

Scottish birth lines are very informative as they state

the name of the child

sex of the child

date and time when child was born

the parents of the child

the parents signature

and an address where ever possible

Joe
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Re: mc gourlick from tyrone
« Reply #11 on: Tuesday 26 May 09 13:43 UTC (UK) »

Hi folks
An intriguing surname isn't it. I found some in Lanarkshire, Scotland while tracing back my female line. They seem to use Gourlay as well as McGourlick/McGourlic.

Here's what I have so far:

Francis McGourlick, died 1899 at the age of 74 (Newton, Parish of Cambuslang), which if his age is correct then he must've been born around 1825, probably in Ireland.
His parents were Thomas McGourlick & Helen McGourlick (maiden name - Walsh). More than that I don't know.

Francis and his wife appear earlier in their daughter Helens marriage cert. (Rutherglen 1876) as Francis & Isabella Gourlay.
I'd gotten stuck tracing back the Gourlays until I noticed a witness at the wedding called Janet McGourlic. So it wasn't hard to put two and two together!

I wonder if some of the above changeable surname stuff is down to the unfortunate toxic religious prejudices which existed back then (and still do to an extent in the west of Scotland).


When I searched for these records a while back I scribbled down a few notes that might be useful to somebody. A free search on GROS revealed:

McGourlick - none recorded in Scotland before 1855.
In 1855 - 2 births/christenings
1856 - 5 births/christenings
1857 - 2 births/christenings & 3 deaths
1858 - 3 births/christenings, 1 marriage, 4 deaths
1859 - 5 births/christenings, 1 marriage, 3 deaths
1860 - 3 births/christenings, 2 marriages, 1 death

McGorlick - none recorded in Scotland before 1855.
1855 - 2 marriages, 1 death.

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Paternal names: Rae, Dow, Turnbull, Stevenson, Clarkston, Easton, Murphy, Christie, Thomson, Gillon, Borrowman, Black, Simpson (- in Central Scotland & Ireland)
Maternal names: Ferguson, Robertson, McGonigal, McKay/McKey, Mills, McLaren, Agnew, Gourlay/McGourlick, Dawson, White, Forsyth, McNab, Morgan, Jarvie, Walsh, Young (- in central & western Scotland, Galloway, and Ireland)
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