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Darlingtonian
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Is anyone researching Fothergills of Mallerstang, Westmorland? I'm trying see if there is a connection before 1841 to the Fothergills of Ravenstondale, Westmorland, the places are so close, I feel there must be one.
Can anyone help?
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Lidster, Mellanby, Milburn, Laidler, Peart, Thornton, Catterson, How, Ingleby, Ramage, Sedgewick, Collinson....... Co.Durham
Ingleby....Derbyshire
Ellwood, Rigg, Gibson, Park, Fothergill.....Westmorland
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Darlingtonian
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Hi Jane
I think my John Fothergill was born 1791, but I only have the 1851 census to go by, as he died just before the 1861 census taken on 7th April..... I'm having trouble deciding which are his parents.
I can find a three lots of parents, Thomas and Elizabeth Morland, William and Jennett Hutchinson, had a John in 1789.......James and Francis Dent had a John in 1793 (but their child was baptised John Dent Fothergill)
None of them were 1791
Thanks for replying
Fay
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Lidster, Mellanby, Milburn, Laidler, Peart, Thornton, Catterson, How, Ingleby, Ramage, Sedgewick, Collinson....... Co.Durham
Ingleby....Derbyshire
Ellwood, Rigg, Gibson, Park, Fothergill.....Westmorland
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RonaldWLong
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HI:
I have:
John Dent FOTHERGILL (M).............. C: 19 Jan 1793 of Birk Rigg
Father: James FOTHERGILL Kirkby Stephen, Westmorland,
Mother: Frances DENT England
Is this your subject?
Best regards,
Ron Long
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Darlingtonian
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That's great Ron.
I chose John Dent Fothergill because his first two children are named James and Frances ...... the same names as his parents.
If you have a different family for John Dent Fothergill .... that throws my theory out of the window and I'll have to start again.
At least it means I have eliminated one of the John Fothergills born in Mallerstang around that time.
Can you tell me which is his family, as I can't find a John fothergill with 'Dent' in the middle on the census, a death or a marriage.?
Thankyou for replying Ron ..... I'm maybe getting somewhere.
Jean
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Lidster, Mellanby, Milburn, Laidler, Peart, Thornton, Catterson, How, Ingleby, Ramage, Sedgewick, Collinson....... Co.Durham
Ingleby....Derbyshire
Ellwood, Rigg, Gibson, Park, Fothergill.....Westmorland
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RonaldWLong
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Hi Jean:
I think thqat I picked up rhe "DENT" in the name from the parish register. It's typical that it gets dropped in later references.
The family sheet that I have looks like:
The system didn't like the length of my family page ...please contact me directly.
I can't verify the match by your description of John Dent Fothergill's family for I don't have it. The above list includes his parents and siblings as I have it. Does it seem to fit for you.
If this still looks like a match, it might be worth while to switch to a direct e-mail for data. You can reach me at rweblong AT att.net
Best Regards,
Ron Long
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RonaldWLong
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HI:
I have his birth at 1793 at Birk Rigg in Mallerstang. He was the son of James Fothergill and Frances Dent. His full name at birth was John Dent Fothergill.
Ron Long rweblong @att.net
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Darlingtonian
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Hi Ron ....... have you just sent this message, or has it taken two weeks to appear.!!!!!
John Dent's baptism in 1793 is on LDS ........ my problem was ...... I wasn't sure if John Dent was the one I was looking for...... but after following 'the other' John fothergills, (especially the James and Elizabeth Hutchinson's child) who were baptised around the same time ...... I think you're probably right.
Jean
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Lidster, Mellanby, Milburn, Laidler, Peart, Thornton, Catterson, How, Ingleby, Ramage, Sedgewick, Collinson....... Co.Durham
Ingleby....Derbyshire
Ellwood, Rigg, Gibson, Park, Fothergill.....Westmorland
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Brie
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Hello,
In Richard Fothergill's "The Fothergills - A First History" he writes:
"Many Fothergills lived in Mallerstang, almost certainly migrating over Wild Boar Fell into the valley. It is probable that the early residents would have been younger sons who would not inherit the tenancy of their parent's farm, but who had sufficient determination to develop a new piece of land in their own right."
I don't know whether or not you know the geography of the area but in case you don't Wild Boar Fell is between Ravenstonedale and Mallerstang.
He then has about 64 A4 pages about the Fothergills in Mallerstang with quite a few family trees but I've had a quick look and can't see your John Fothergill.
This book was followed by "A Second Family History" in which Richard Fothergill published his further research along with information that came from other Fothergill members after the first book was published.
I think you would find www.ravenstonedale.org intersting but then you probably know all about it already.
Good luck with your hunting
Brie
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Darlingtonian
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Thank you for your reply Brie,
Richard Fothergill's books sound interesting ....... I've heard all about them but not read them ....... think they'll be on my next christmas present list.
I've been in email contact with Ron Long who has been immeasurably helpful with his information on the Fothergill families.
I do know the area but not in great detail.
'My' John Fothergill was living in the Lake District in 1841 and the problem was finding the right parents ..... quite a few 'Johns' were baptised in Mallerstang, around the same time. Thanks to Ron, I now think 'my' John was baptised John Dent Fothergill ...... although he dropped the 'Dent'.
I left the thread open, just in case any more information, like yours, came along. There seems to be more Fothergill families in Ravenstonedale than over the Fell in the Mallerstang Valley ..... Nateby and Kirby Stephen. .... not far away but connecting them is difficult.
Thank you again for your interest.
Jean
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Ingleby....Derbyshire
Ellwood, Rigg, Gibson, Park, Fothergill.....Westmorland
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RonaldWLong
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HI:
I descend from the Birk Rigg Fothergills and started my research with a family legend that our Fothergills were "of Carr End". I did enough research on that branch to respect their history and develop an interest in the other Fothergills.
I've transcribed a stack of letters from the Dinsdales to their American relatives and found it facinating. I would be VERY interested in receiving a copy of the Fothergill letters that you refer to in whatever form you make them available.
Best Regards,
Ron Long
Fullerton, CA
rweblong AT att.net
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Darlingtonian
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Hi Jan and hello again Ron......the letters sound fascinating Jan. I managed to get letters from Kendal Record Office for another branch of my family in Westmorland and they held a great deal of information.
I have PM'd you an email address if you have time to send a copy.
Jean
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Lidster, Mellanby, Milburn, Laidler, Peart, Thornton, Catterson, How, Ingleby, Ramage, Sedgewick, Collinson....... Co.Durham
Ingleby....Derbyshire
Ellwood, Rigg, Gibson, Park, Fothergill.....Westmorland
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coz60
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Hi
do you have a Thomas Dent fothergill born to these same parents.
regards
coreen
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Darlingtonian
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Hello Coreen....I have three Thomas fothergills, one born 1746, one 1808 and one 1842 but none of them appear to have 'Dent' as a second name.
Do you have a birth or baptism date or a marriage for thomas?
Jean
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Lidster, Mellanby, Milburn, Laidler, Peart, Thornton, Catterson, How, Ingleby, Ramage, Sedgewick, Collinson....... Co.Durham
Ingleby....Derbyshire
Ellwood, Rigg, Gibson, Park, Fothergill.....Westmorland
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