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Hi Jane,
Grindley Brook is a tiny area just outside Whitchurch - which as you say the canal passes through - it did have some wharfs etc as well as now a pub - Horse and Jockey - which I think is fairly old.
The nearest church would be St Alkmunds in Whitchurch.
The baptismal records are at Whitchurch Library - do I sense another request??!! 
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Keith
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seeing as you offered!!!
Do Baptism records have mother maiden name on them or age?
I Have drawn a blank with the McBride side of the family, and My other half whos surname is Wesley has traced his family back to the year dot!!!
So my next port of call it to try and find out about Ellen's parent Henry and Anne. I notice from the census info you found that Anne was not from Shropshire, so thats another part of the country (world!!) my ancestors are from!!
Thanks for your time once again!!!
Jane
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Hi Jane,
It seems the details very across the country, but the local ones only have for example:
January 1st 1800 - John son of Fred and Mary Smith
So not to much extra information available - it does confirm parents names then you can look for their marriage sometime before - oppps what have I said!!
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Keith
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You should really learn to say " I don't Know" My kids are great at it!!!!
So over to you!!!! Are marrige details kept at the same library?
Sitting in a nice warm library has to be better then trolling around church yards especially in this wind!!
Jane
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Keith Bateman
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Hi Jane
Yes
What year?
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Thats where the problem lies... From what I know there eldest recorded child was William 1831, so maybe a little before then.
If you do find anything could you send me the reference so I can obtain a copy from the library( if they allow that for parish records).
I'll leave you in peace now 
Jane
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Hi Jane,
Do you want the bad news or the not to bad news!!
No marriage from 1822 - 1832 for any Elliotts. 
While I was there I thought I would look at the baptismal records - before 1820 they are as I stated just a typewritten copy of the records - from 1820 onwards they are on fiche, with slightly more details - but not like a 1837 certificate!!
No 1094 Abode
July 21 1833 Ellen daughter of - Henry & Ann - Elliott - Rising Sun - Joiner
No 178
Oct 20th 1831 William son of - Henry & Ann - Elliott - Rising Sun - Joiner
I have found out that the Rising Sun were cottages on the Wrexham Road - just out side Whitchurch - near the canal - about 1/2 mile from Grindley Brook - where the Elliotts were in 1841 - a bit more useless information!!!
As Ann was from out of the county as per 1841 census - do you have her on any other census - giving her birthplace details?? Then you could try for her marriage in that town.
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Keith
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Thanks keith..I think
I am going to see on the Lancashire board if anyone has access to the 1861 census and can find the family and see if where Ann was born. I have tried but I cannot find the family.
There is always the fact that they didn't get married until after the birth of William!!
Well I am off to pester somebody else..I'll let you know how I get on
Jane
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I'm back!!!
Evening Keith...
Well I think the Elliots dropped off the face of the earth!!! The earliest I can check for myself is 1871 census and I can find the son Henry in Ancoats, Manchester but no parents, some kind soul has double check for me on the Lancashire board for me and cannot find them either. Maybe Henry and Ann never moved to Manchester so I am going to post a 1861 lookup on this boards.
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Hi Jane,
I have those little problems as well sometimes!!
Try to find anything about the rest of the family - Williams possible marriage - then trace his parents back??!!
Looked on IGI for possible marriage of Ann and Henry - only one is 1825 to Ann Jones in Liverpool - with Henry John Elliott - he hasn't used John anywhere has he?
Keeping banging your head against the brickwall - something will give - hope it's the wall!
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I'm back like a bad penny!!!
I've been trying to trace the two children who were born after 1837. I cannot find any birth records for Henry, although I have got census info for him. However I have found a record for Mary Anne;
Surname Given Name District Volume Page
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Births Jun 1841
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ELLIOTT Mary Ann Wem &c 18 210
Not really sure what to do with it now though. Where is my next port of call, do you know the admin centre I need to contact to get a copy of this cert? Can they get it from this reference from FreeBMD
Jane
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Hi Jane,
Well done - always different ways to get the same information
You have 2 choices - over the net you can get a certificate with that reference number - easiest - but will take 3 weeks at the present time.
If you click on the "Wem" part of the BMD it will lead you to North Shropshire Registration District at Wem - they should be able to help - usually need more information - like address etc - but when I have used local offices found them very helpful - although not used Wem.
Advantage is that they only take 2/3 days.
With both applications put in a "check point" - regarding father or mothers name - just to make sure you have the correct one - you can download a form - to fill in all the details - do you have any site with those?
Don't worry asking me - I have only been doing this for months - pleased to give something back to this site for all the help I have received.
Cheers
Keith
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Hi Keith
Do you think when you've got a minute you could check out the Bapt records for the first two children of Henry Elliot , William and Ellen, something in the back of my mind is telling me that Ann may not be their mother. There is a gap of nearly 10 years before Mary Ann and Henry are born.
As I can only get records for Mary Ann (sent for cert) that will only confirm that Ann was HER mother.
Deerstalker on please
Jane
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Hi Jane,
Not quite with you - it was the baptismal records for William & Ellen I found - with Ann as their mother - do you mean Henry??
If there is doubt the only thing is - are there 2 Anns??
The gap might be 2 reasons - moved to another area - then came back - we know they lived at different addresses in Whitchurch in 1833 and 1841 - or could be other children who died young.
Let me know if I have got it wrong!!
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Hi Sue,
Found these on my wanderings around Whitchurch cemetery:
In Loving Remembrance Of
Frederick William - 3rd son of William and Sarah Venables
of High Street
Died Feb 29 1881 Aged 12 years
In The Midst of Life We Are In Death
Also Joseph Leonard
Brother of the above
Died October 27 1885 Aged 13 years
Also William Henry
Dearly Beloved Son Of
Samuel and Sarah Venables
Died Nov 14th 1887 Aged 3 months
Also Sam William
Dearly Beloved Son of the Above
Died Sept 2nd 1892 Aged 8 months
Angel Bid Them Come
Next
In Loving Memory of
Thomas Capper Howell
Who
Died October 15th 1895
Aged 66 years
Also
Sarah
Wife of the Above
Who died August 2nd 1899
Aged 65 years
Next
In Memory of
Ann
The Beloved Wife of
Robert Venables
Who Died Feb 25th 1873
Aged 65 years
Him That Cometh to the Villin No Wise Cast Out
Hope these are some of yours - just to say the first one is in good condition - the second is 8ft high marble - lovely - the 3rd is smaller - if you want a photo let me know.
Will try Wrenbury shortly
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Keith
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