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Inchworm
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Hello  ,
John Dickie married Agnes McColl in 1857, Cumbrae. He was b. in West Kilbride.
He is described later as a farmer at Meikle.
I don't seem to be able to find any Dickies on Cumbrae.
Please can anyone help?
Regards,
Inchworm
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Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.ukDUNNILL - Yorkshire & Worlwide PETTY - Shaftesbury, Dorset WOOLRIDGE - Shaftesbury, Dorset NEWSOM - London, Surrey, Sussex FROST - Staffs,Notts, Derbys,Leics,London,Somerset ROSSITER - Somerset ROWE - London, Hertfordshire COLVER - Leicestershire DICKIE - Buteshire, Ayreshire, Renfrewshire KIRKLEY - North Yorkshire |
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MonicaLesl
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Hi Inchworm
I'm being slow this evening! What period are you looking at for Dickie's in Cumbrae. I can see some 'DICK' (no Dickies), including two Johns b. Scotland, in the 1841 Census.
Regards.
Monica
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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Inchworm
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John & Agnes were m. 1857 Cumbrae. Her parents were Archibald & Jane McColl. I don't know anything about them.
John & Agnes first child also Agnes born end of 1857. I didn't know how long they stayed on Cumbrae. They later went to Greenock, but when looking on the will index I found
"Dickie John 11/12/1899 sometime Farmer, Island of Meikle Cumbrae, thereafter residing in Greenock, d. 25/03/1875 at Greenock".
Most of Johns brothers & sisters lived at Rothesay between 1845 and 1900. Any info. on Dickies in Rothesay would be appreciated too.
I am sorry if I sound vague.
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Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.ukDUNNILL - Yorkshire & Worlwide PETTY - Shaftesbury, Dorset WOOLRIDGE - Shaftesbury, Dorset NEWSOM - London, Surrey, Sussex FROST - Staffs,Notts, Derbys,Leics,London,Somerset ROSSITER - Somerset ROWE - London, Hertfordshire COLVER - Leicestershire DICKIE - Buteshire, Ayreshire, Renfrewshire KIRKLEY - North Yorkshire |
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MonicaLesl
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John and Agnes had left Cumbrae by 1860 when another of their children was born in Greenock:
1. JANE DICKIE Birth: 31 DEC 1860 Middle Or New Parish, Greenock, Renfrew, Scotland
2. JAMES DICKIE Birth: 26 FEB 1865 Middle Or New Parish, Greenock, Renfrew, Scotland
3. ANN DICKIE Birth: 21 MAR 1863 Middle Or New Parish, Greenock, Renfrew, Scotland
4. DUGALD MCCOLL DICKIE Birth: 16 JUN 1867 Middle Or New Parish, Greenock, Renfrew, Scotland
What was John's birth year in West Kilbride and do you have the name of his parents from his MC or DC?
Monica
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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Inchworm
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Johns parents were John Dickie & Jane Archibald of Fencefoot, West Kilbride. He was one of eight children.
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Gadget
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In the 1851 census there is a John Dickie, aged 20 in Cumbrae
Ref 552 - 2 - 11
There's no image available. I presume this is him.
Gadget
PS He is the only Dickie in Cumbrae on the 1851
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MonicaLesl
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It's not the same John. John was born c. 1818 and is still at home in West Kilbride in the 1851 Census (FreeCen).
Inchworm, from the little I have seen, John Snr. was a farmer. Some of his children seemed to have gone over to Bute. In the 1851 Census, one of his grandchildren, with a Bute birth place, is with him in West Kilbride (son of James who shows in North Bute in 1851?). Your John went over to Bute at some point after the 1851 Census. Was it then he acquired an interest in Cranslagvourity Farm in North Bute? By the end of the 1850s, he left Bute for Greenock where he had more children and died in 1875 intestate. Twenty five years later in 1899, his will/testament (not sure which or what) was settled. Have you seen the entry for Cranslagvourity in www.butesonsanddaughters.co.uk/farmsag.shtml. Dickie family show there in the 1881 Census apart from Rothesay.
I think it may be worthwhile looking at the 3 pg documents to find out the background.
Monica
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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MonicaLesl
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The grandson showing in 1851 can't be son of James.......he's showing as a Wilson. Must be son of daughter Ann, is this her marriage:
JOHN WILSON Marriages: Spouse: ANN DICKIE
Marriage: 05 JUN 1842 Cumbraes, Bute, Scotland
The Dickie connections to Cumbraes may go further back or relate to this marriage? There is only one Dickie showing in Bute in the 1841 Census, a Hugh b. Scotland c. 1826, an agr. lab.
Monica
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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Gadget
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The 1875 death looks as if it's a drowning. Writing is very poor. Also possibly registered in deaths at sea (marginal note) - again poor writing.
So is the 1851 Cumbrae John a relative?
Gadget
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MonicaLesl
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No idea, Gadget. Not showing on FreeCen so can't tell whether he is the John Dick that shows in Cumbrae in 1841.
Inchworm has now signed off, so let's see tomorrow.
Regards.
Monica
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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MonicaLesl
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From the 1881 Census, the family at Cranslagvourity Farm, seems to be the widow of James Dickie (brother of John?), married in 1853 in North Bute, and family:
AGNES PEEBLES Parents: Father: WILLIAM PEEBLES
Marriages: Spouse: JAMES DICKIE
Marriage: 14 JAN 1853 North Bute, Bute, Scotland
Regards.
Monica
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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Gadget
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I had a look at the 1841 in search of the John Dickie, aged 20, that I found in 1851. There's only one family of Dick that I could find including a John, 15-19 and a Robert, aged 9. So a bit of a mystery there. Maybe the 1851 one was a cousin or something 
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Inchworm
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Hello
Many thanks for all your replies. I have purchased the will of John Dickie senior. It is 11 pages of very difficult reading !!! It seems that his eldest son James, inherited Cranslagvourity Farm, North Bute, from Johns father. Trouble is it doesn't mention Johns fathers name. Any help on this? Desperate to find out.
Johns dau. Mary had 3 children, Jean, Mary and William, but doesn't say who she married.
The trustees are John Allen, who I believe was the second husband of Johns dau. Ann. He was about 20 yrs older than her. Funny thing is, John Allens mother was an Elizabeth Dickie. Can't find if related.
One of the other trustees was James Crawford, farmer in Cumbrae. There is a James Crawford on the IGI married a Jean Dicky 1809 Kilbride & Arran. Don't know if this is another relation. The final trustee was a Daniel Crawford.
Any help would be appreciated.
Regards,
Inchworm
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MonicaLesl
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Have you got John Snr. death cert? He's there in 1851, hopefully he made it past official reg. in 1855.
There is this submitted entry which feels like his:
John Dickie Birth: 01 OCT 1771 West Kilbride, Ayr, Scotland
Death: 24 MAR 1856
Parents: Father: James Dickie Mother: Jean Workman
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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MonicaLesl
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There are numerous actual/submitted entries for children to James Dickie and Jean Workman in West Kilbride, including this actual entry for a Jean who may be the one that married James Crawford in 1809:
JEAN DICKIE Christening: 05 NOV 1775 West Kilbride, Ayr, Scotland
Parents: Father: JAMES DICKIE Mother: JEAN WORKMAN
Can you do a parent search on IGI, or do you want me to post/explain how to so you can see their children?
Monica
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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