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Topic: William JONES b circa 1828 Ditton Priors (Read 875 times)
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Barnford
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I do not have that information - this came to me from a relative who lives in the area and who phoned a member of the local (Ditton) FHS
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Lincs: Holton, Brewer, Keal, Blood, Pycock. Notts: Holton, Jones, Lawson, Bull, Brownley. Devon: Gayett(e), Hammond, Jewell, Squire, Lewarn. Cornwall: Rowe, Lewarn(e). Salop: Jones, Beddoes, Rowe. Leics: Rimmington. London: Bryant, Hasted, Reynolds. Scotland: Struthers. N.Ireland: Struthers, Green. Durham: Green, Surrey: Hammond. Ireland: Bryant.
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Valda
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Since it is proving to be so difficult I think you need as much information as possible on which to base the marriage search including William's father's occupation in the baptismal register. I would also check whether William had any siblings. Ditto the Mary Rowe baptismal entry if you think there is any doubt - though it is an extracted entry not a church member submitted entry so it is more likely to be accurate.
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Valda
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Barnford
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Thanks for the advice.
There are only two marriages between William Jones and Mary Rowe in the time span 1845-1855. I have also checked for the spelling Roe. I know that William Jones married Mary Rowe as I have that from birth certs for some of the children.
I can not find Mary Rowe or William Jones living with family in the 1841 census or with family or alone in the 1851 census. I have searched intensively using various spelling combinations of fore and surnames and even specific parishes and streets. IGI does not cover the two parishes for the date range needed so I think I have no option now other than to approach the Shropshire FHS or the Shrewsbury records office.
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Lincs: Holton, Brewer, Keal, Blood, Pycock. Notts: Holton, Jones, Lawson, Bull, Brownley. Devon: Gayett(e), Hammond, Jewell, Squire, Lewarn. Cornwall: Rowe, Lewarn(e). Salop: Jones, Beddoes, Rowe. Leics: Rimmington. London: Bryant, Hasted, Reynolds. Scotland: Struthers. N.Ireland: Struthers, Green. Durham: Green, Surrey: Hammond. Ireland: Bryant.
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Valda
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William is the legitimate birth and so he has no known reason to 'massage' the information about his father, so a definite match to his information will help prove you have the right marriage. Illegitimate people however did fabricate the information about their fathers if they could i.e. marrying out of area where they were not known. Since the information they gave had to be accepted at face value they would claim they were legitimate and either make up the information, copy the information from a close male relative, or name their real father if they knew him, but change his surname to match their own.
Since the evidence points to the fact Mary was illegitimate, I think anything she claims about her father on her marriage you have to take with a pinch of salt and understand her reasons for claiming legitimacy. She was not alone in this, many illegitimate people did actually the same thing on their marriages.
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« Last Edit: Tuesday 13 March 07 18:53 GMT (UK) by Valda »
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Valda
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I'm sure Shropshire Family History Society could recommend an inexpensive and efficient researcher who also knows local records and can give advice. In the past I have found such people extremely helpful particularly once you are out of 'census range'.
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Valda
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« Last Edit: Saturday 24 February 07 10:21 GMT (UK) by Valda »
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Barnford
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Thank you - I have relatives living in Bishop's Castle, I will try to enlist their help. I think read on the Shropshire FHS that they only have limited copies of Parish records so Shrewsbury will probably be the best option.
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Lincs: Holton, Brewer, Keal, Blood, Pycock. Notts: Holton, Jones, Lawson, Bull, Brownley. Devon: Gayett(e), Hammond, Jewell, Squire, Lewarn. Cornwall: Rowe, Lewarn(e). Salop: Jones, Beddoes, Rowe. Leics: Rimmington. London: Bryant, Hasted, Reynolds. Scotland: Struthers. N.Ireland: Struthers, Green. Durham: Green, Surrey: Hammond. Ireland: Bryant.
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Re: Mary Rowe
This may prove to be utter nonsense but here goes anyway:
I have carried out a search of the 1851 census on Ancestry with a christian name of Mary b1832 in Diddlebury. It has thrown out just one match in terms of date and place of birth and that is for a Mary Dyer, daughter of James Dyer, carpenter, b circa 1798 in Culmington and living in Diddlebury. She is also living with him in the 1841 census.
I have checked the IGI for Diddlebury (and Culmington) and there is no christening record for Mary Dyer. I have also checked for James Dyer marriages in the two parishes and have found nothing.
On the plus side, the date and place of birth are correct and the christian name of the father and his occupation fit with the marriage certificate details. Also, there is no IGI record of Mary Dyer's birth nor of James Dyer's marriage.
On the negative side, the 1841 and 1851 census returns have Mary's name as Dyer and the marriage certificate has the father's surname as Rowe.
Is it beyond the realms of possibility that he was the father and, after the possible mother's death in 1835 (burial 14th January 1835 St Peter Diddlebury Barbara Virgin Rowe aged 26) that he adopted the child and gave her his surname?
Would it ever be provable or only ever a possible scenario?
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Lincs: Holton, Brewer, Keal, Blood, Pycock. Notts: Holton, Jones, Lawson, Bull, Brownley. Devon: Gayett(e), Hammond, Jewell, Squire, Lewarn. Cornwall: Rowe, Lewarn(e). Salop: Jones, Beddoes, Rowe. Leics: Rimmington. London: Bryant, Hasted, Reynolds. Scotland: Struthers. N.Ireland: Struthers, Green. Durham: Green, Surrey: Hammond. Ireland: Bryant.
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MJP
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Wow Barnford - great sleuthing!
He would not have had to "adopt" the child - no formal adoption back then. It was common for step children to be referred to by their stepfather's name on census records (i.e. just give the whole family the same name), so I could easily believe that a child being looked after by her birth father (or, even if he his not her biological father, the person acting as her father) being given his name on a census even though her "official" name is something different. If this scenario is true, she may have even used the name Dyer in everyday life, only putting Roe on the certificates because that was her official name.
I don't think there would be any way to prove that this is her though? You could discount it by finding Mary Dyer later in life (to prove that she couldn't be Mary Roe), or if the Dyer name creeped up in the family later on it might be a clue. But beyond that I don't think there is any way??
MJP
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Information given in census transcriptions is Crown Copyright http://www.nationalarchives.gov.ukEagle (Yorkshire), Prior (Berkshire), Buckland (Nottinghamshire), Short (Devon), Sinclair (Caithness, Scotland), Patterson (Co. Tyrone, Ireland) |
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