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Ruskie
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Hello everyone,
I've been having a great time playing with Scottish records all day today. Now, I'm a bit stuck with a couple of people. Maybe this question should be on the Wigtown board, but will see how I go here first.
I am looking for the marriage of:
William Lamont, labourer, born about 1807, Minnigaff
Margaret Blain, born about 1811, Glenluce, Wgt
Exact marriage date and parent's names is what I'm hoping for. I couldn't find them on Scotland's People OPR's.
I have 5 children born to this couple. The oldest I have found is Jane (possible middle name Murry?) born 1834. (Dates and names are from 1851 census).
Hope someone can help. Thanks to all.
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Gadget
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Hi Ruskie
I haven't been able to find a marriage of these two. It could have been an irregular marriage or the records may have been lost. I will keep looking.
However, I have found the death of William and the certificate gives his parents names:
May 30th 1874, Minnigaff 876 -9
William Lamont,aged 63, wood forester, married to Margaret Blain.
Parents - William Lamont, labourer, dec. and Janet, maiden surname Pollock, dec.
Informant - William Lamont, son.
As you can see, Margaret is still alive at this time. I haven't been able to locate her in the 1881 census in Minnigaff but neither have I found a death record as yet. Again, I will keep looking.
Regards
Gadget
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Gadget
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I've been trying to see if their known children give us any clues to Margaret's parents names by their use of Scottish naming conventions but they don't seem to fit too well.
These are children's baptisms of this couple:
14 July 1834 Jane Murray
23 April 1837 Peter
9 Dec 1840 William (probably died, see below)
27 March 1842 Elizabeth McCrae
22 June 1845 Letitia
28 May 1848 William
From this, Margaret's parents might possibly be a Peter Blain and and Elizabeth but there doesn't appear to be a strict pattern 
Gadget
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MonicaLesl
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Hi Ruskie and Gadget,
This looks like an interesting possibility from the 1851 Census:
POLLOCK Jannet, mother of William Lamont, unmarried, age 80, Pauper, b. Minnigaff Kbt.
Address Blackcraig(876), Minnigaff
Monica
Added: Ruskie, you must have her details. She living with William, son, and family.
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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Ruskie
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Hi Gadget
Thanks so much for your help and for finding William's death with his parent's names. More progress!
Yes Monica, I do have Jannet Pollock and the 1851 census information - thank you.
I thought it was peculiar that Jannet was listed with the surname Pollock and the unmarried mother of William Lamont (perhaps they meant widowed). That was a bit confusing until Gadget found William's death with Pollock as Jannet's maiden surname. Can either of you possibly find the death of Jannet? I don't know if she would be listed as Lamont or Pollock? If her age at death is listed I can get approximate year of birth.
With the family is also Letitia Blain, which must be Margaret's sister and William's sister in law (rather than sister of William as it says in the census).
I also have been puzzling over the children's middle names, Murray and McCrae. Clues? Indication of maiden names ... but whose?
I have really been enjoying my "Scottish experience" and many thanks to you both. Unfortunately one of my Scottish links is now leading me to Ireland and an inevitable dead end I fear.
You've both been a great help - thank you very much.
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MonicaLesl
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Hi Ruskie
I think Janet Pollock may have died between 1851-54 and the start of official registration in Scotland in 1855. There is no death entry showing for her on Scotlands People. Pity.
Regards.
Monica
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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Ruskie
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Thanks very much for looking Monica.
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MonicaLesl
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Hi Ruskie
No help from the 1841 Census in respect of Janet Pollock. She is listed as living alone, age 63, at Blackcraig, Minnigaff, born in the County.
Monica
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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Ruskie
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You've been really helpful, thank you Monica. All information helps.
I don't suppose you can find a death for Margaret Lamont (nee Blain)? I'm new to Scotland's people (not too good at searrching), but had a look and couldn't find a death in Kirkcudbright - the obvious look. Am I correct in thinking her death record would show her parents?
Do not use up your credits in a search, but if you find a possible death, I can use my credits to view the record.
Any info much appreciated.
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MonicaLesl
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Ruskie
There's no obvious death entries for Margaret. There is only one Lamon*/Bla*n* entry but she's too young (by 20 yrs) to be your Margaret. I've also looked for Margaret Blain only and there are two deaths in the area:
1879 BLAIN MARGARET/ STEWART 71 MOCHRUM /WIGTOWN 892/00 0065
1878 BLAND MARGARET/ FERGUSON F 64 KIRKCUDBRIGHT /KIRKCUDBRIGHT 871/00 0043
As you can see the other name in the entries (not mother's maiden name) doesn't connect with anything you have found as yet.
Have you checked the 1861 Census to confirm that she was alive post 1855?
Monica
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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Ruskie
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Hi Monica,
Thanks again for your help.
No I haven't yet found Margaret on the 61 census but if you have a look at Gadget's first post, she appears to be alive when husband William Lamont dies in 1874.
A bit of a puzzle. Margaret doesn't appear to have ventured very far in her life, so you'd think she'd be findable.
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MonicaLesl
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Ruskie
I think from Gadget's post, it didn't show William as a widower...but that doesn't always mean that their partner had not already died. Sometimes you hunt for ever for someone because they don't show as deceased in their husband/wife's DC, only to find that they had indeed preceeded them.
You're probably going to have to check the 1871 (1861) Census to see what the situation was.
Monica
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MonicaLesl
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From the search results in Kbt for 1861, only one William shows 45-60 which must be your William given it's in Minnigaff. From the search results, all with the same refs. which can indicate the same household (at least on the same page), GROS Ref:876/00 003/00 007:
William, 50
Elizabeth, 18
William, 12
Monica
PS: If you decide to view, it will show William's marital status.
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Ruskie
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Thanks for those names Monica - that's great.
Would this indicate that Margaret may already be dead? William and Elizabeth are two of his children - ages correct.
I will top up my SP credits on Monday and check out that census.
I was quite disappointed the other day that one of my census images went over two pages, so I missed out on the parent's names! Always a risk on pay to view.
You've been very helpful - thanks a lot.
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Gadget
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Hi Both
Sorry for the delay, I have had hospital appointments today and, thankfully, been passed with A1 eyes so can now continue with my computer work 
I have got the 1871 with Margaret alive and well and aged 56. I then did a death search for her from 1871 to 1900, although no sign on the 1881.
I'll go back through my searches this evening and see if i can come up with something.
I do recall seeing a Margaret Blair bpt in Old Luce/Glenluce. Again, I'll have to look.
Gadget
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