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MonicaLesl
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Hi Gadget
Brilliant everything went well for you. Also pleased Margaret Blain is still alive and well, I had her for gonners from the 1861 index search!
Monica
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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MonicaLesl
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Letitia is still alive in 1881 living alone, age 69, unmarried, a laundress, in Minnigaff. No trace after this census.
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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Gadget
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Monica
To help my eyes - could you tell me what info we haven't got yet, please.
We have the 1851, 1861, 1871 (I'll put up). We have William's death cert.
Is it worth finding out where the rest of the children went - I recall some grandchildren and also that there were 4 poss deaths for Margaret but in Glasgow or Forfar.
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MonicaLesl
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It's really only Margaret Blain's DC outstanding for that generation. William's mother Janet Pollock looks to have died pre 1855. No trace as yet on anything for Margaret Blain's own family other than the possibility that Letitia was her sister.
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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Gadget
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Oh dear 
I might just have found a possible death for poor Margaret:
July 30 1874 821 - 259
Southern Counties Asylum, Dumfries
Margaret Blair Lamond, aged 60, married to ---- Lamont,
Right hemiplegia with apoplexia, 2 months; bedsores, 1 month; insanity. Informant - M Cunningham, attendant, present at death.
No parents' names given - obviously she had a stroke at some stage 
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Gadget
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Here are the 1861 and 1871 census details:
1861 - Minnigaff 876-3-7
William Lamont, 50, labourer, b. Minnigaff
Elizabeth, d, 18, b. Minnigaff
William, 12, b. Minnigaff
1871 - Minnigaff 876 - 5 - 2
Dromcroft
William, 60, wood forester's assistant, b. Minnigaff
Margaret, 56, b. Old Luce
Elizabeth, d, 30, outdoor worker, b. Minnigaff
William, grdson, 7, b. Minnigaff
Robert, grdson, 5, b. Minnigaff
Peter, grdson, 3, b. Minnigaff
Tom, grdson, 7 mths, b. Minnigaff
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MonicaLesl
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Well done Gadget, that looks like it could be her entry. Lack of info is a BIG problem for verifying her parents
How are you getting her entry to come up on SP. I'd been searching for a Ma*r*/L*m*n*/bl* and getting nothing. Even putting in the details that you have found, I still get nothing on SP. Odd.
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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MonicaLesl
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From the 1871 list of grandchildren, all look to be illegitimate births:
William, grdson, 7, b. Minnigaff.........Elizabeth's
Robert, grdson, 5, b. Minnigaff..........Letitia's
Peter, grdson, 3, b. Minnigaff............Letitia's
Tom, grdson, 7 mths, b. Minnigaff.....Elizabeth's
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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Ruskie
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Monica and Gadget,
I can't thank you enough for all your help. I am really grateful. I now have so much to digest!!
Firstly, Gadget, I'm so pleased that you have the all clear healthwise. That is good news and must be a huge relief for you.
I feel so guilty you two have been busy working on my behalf, and I've been out and about, shopping etc. I have been looking for genealogy books and software, so I suppose that is not so bad! 
Poor Margaret in an asylum - and she died a couple of months after William! Quite sad. I imagine Blain and Blair would be almost interchangable surnames at that time. Even when written the n can look like an r.
I am quite interested in the illegitimate births. Do these children only have Letitia/Elizabeth named as mother with no father named? I'm glad they're not the direct line I'm tracing. That would make the search even more difficult.
How can I ever find Margaret's parents? I thought it MIGHT be easier to trace (possible) sister Letitia, but that doesn't seem to be so.
Monica and Gadget, you are both wonderful! I really value your assistance, generosity and advice.
Thank you.
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Gadget
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Hi Ruskie
You out shopping and we slaving over hot computers 
I've been trying to search for letitia/Letisha's death. There must be a certificate somewhere. So far I've done 1881 - 1900 for Bl* in Minnigaff and then KKD also Wigtown area and Dumfries. It might be that she has been very badly transcribed or her name was not known (very sad if this is the case).
Have you checked for her on the 1841, 61 and 71? It might be worth trying to build a timeline for her.
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Ruskie
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Hi Gadget,
Yup, weekends are horrible here - no peace and quiet for researching - lots of interruptions - I just can't concentrate. Weekdays are lovely - kids at school, other half at work and plenty of time.
No I haven't got Letitia other than in the 51 and what you and Monica have found. I only discovered this whole family on Thursday. I do feel quite sorry for them actually - they must have had it tough. But in a lovely part of the world.
I will top up my Scotland's people credits on Monday and try to find Letitia in more census. I did suspect her name may have been mistranscribed. I couldn't read it on the 51.
Thanks again Gadget - you're a star!
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Ruskie
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Right, couldn't resist - had two credits left and used them to look for Letitia Blain. I found her (I think) in 1841 age 25 in Penninghame Wigtown. In 1861 she is 49 and in Minnigaff. Age of birth varies a bit, but there only seems to be one Letitia Blain in all of Scotland.
Penninghame has cropped up on another post of mine with replies by Monica and Gadget. I had found a Letitia Blain born Old Luce with parents John Blain and Helen Hannay. I wondered if this couple had any more children.
There was a John Blain and a Helen (but with different surname) having children in Penninghame. I've got all sorts of "what ifs" going through my head.
I'm even wondering if there may be a second marriage here somewhere. John marries Helen - they have Letitia, Helen dies, John marries another Helen, they have several children. Oops, nearly forgot - I need to find Margaret! Letting my imagination run away with me .....
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Hi Ruskie
I'm not sure the 1841 will give you any more info. Letitia, aged 25-29, born county was in Penninghame, Wigtown, a servant in the household of Jannet Newall (or son Alexander - the marks are a bit unclear) Ref 895 - 5 - 1.
Also, for ref, Jannet Pollock, aged 63, is listed twice in the 1841 in Minnigaff. First at Mines, 876 - 7 - 29 next door to:
Peter Lamond, 20-24, ag lab
Eliza, 20-24
William, 15-19
James, 11
Jean, 7
Janet, 5
David, 3
Peter, 2
All born County. This household is 4 away from William and Margaret at Blackcraig.
She is also listed as the last entry in Blackcraigs, Minnigaff 876 - 7- 35
Jannet Pollock, 63, born County
I think it is just a duplicate entry.
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MonicaLesl
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Just got back from my shopping expedition (driving rain both ways!). Seeing your last post re Janet Pollock with a Peter Lamond and family. Made me think, this might be the Peter behind the name of William and Margaret Blain's child. As such, a brother of William Lamont(d). Which again brings us back to what are the names of Margaret's parents (if not John and Helen or Peter).
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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