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Toddstown
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I too need help with locating the early TODD/LEMON farm in Killacronaghan or Killycronaghan, in between Killeevan and Smithborough, County Monaghan, No Ire. My interest lies in the early TODD lineage, proof, and sources to sort out the various County Down TODD lines, and to find the missing very early cemetery [not in Prof. Richard S. Jessup Clarke's excellent 21 volume Gravestone Inscriptions series]. Reverend Samuel A. AGNEW of Bethany, Lee Co., Mississippi wrote of this TODD/LEMON farm in his letters and papers preserved in the Kentucky Historical Society, Frankfort, Kentucky, USA. One of Rev. Agnew's letters, dated 7 Feb 1898 was addressed to E.T. Helm [Emily TODD Helm] of Elizabethtown, KY.
In this important letter he carefully writes: "Andrew TODD was married twice: first to Sidney WEST, then to Mary SIMPSON. He had children by both wives. His eldest son by his first wife, John TODD was killed at the battle of Waterloo in 1815. His daughter Mary married a LEMON and remained in Ireland when her father with the remaining children came to America. She lived on the place that was occupied by her grandfather and father and it is still occupied by her son, William LEMON, who if alive is now a very old man. It is in Killachronaghan Townland, not far from Smithsboro in Co. Monaghan. By his last wife Andrew had Samuel Rutherford born in 1807, Letitia Simpson born 1809 and Margaret Isabelle [or Isabella] born in 1811. My mother, Letitia Simpson Todd married Dr. Enoch AGNEW in 1832 and died Feb 28 1879 in Union Co. Miss and is buried in Bethany burial ground in Lee Co., Miss." [quickly transcribed in part, today from copy of original obtained, 2008, from Emily Todd Helm file at Ky His Soc.]
This TODD heritage is very important to either align or distinguish away from the early TODD family of Toddstown1 (a townland's nickname) and Toddstown2 (a farm near Ballynasveagh & Glaskerbeg East)- both in County Down, No Ire. I am in need of specifics for an upcoming trip to repositories in County Down, as to where to find answers to the early, say 1580s-1860, Presbyterian TODD lines. I am hoping that living ancestors still live on this TODD/LEMON farm, and at Toddstown1 and Toddstown2, and have answers in a shoebox. All help is greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance for any clues.
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elizabeth3
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Re: LEMON
« Reply #16 on: Thursday 12 March 09 10:50 UTC (UK) » |
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I have a LEMON family who lived and farmed at Killacronaghan and would love to share information
with you. Please contact me at my email address
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Toddstown
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Please post any info to this message thread. Thanks.
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elizabeth3
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Re: LEMON
« Reply #18 on: Thursday 12 March 09 23:43 UTC (UK) » |
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My Gt. Grandfather John GORDON was the son of James GORDON b. 1795 cc and Jane HARBISON b. 1827 cc and was born at Templetate, Co. Monaghan. The last five children of this family emigrated to California.
Jane HARBISON's parents were Matthew HARBISON and Margaret LEMMON who married on 21/03/1823 County Monaghan. Matthew and Margaret HARBISON, along with most of their children, emigrated to California also, some in 1872.
Gt. Grandfather John LEMON was born 1840 cc (according to 1901 census records for Monaghan) and at the time of his marriage to Harriett WILLIAMSON his father's name was given as David LEMON, in the presence of Thomas LEMON and Mary LEMON.
All LEMMON/LEMON ancestors have the birth address of Killacronaghan, County Monaghan.
When I was a child I visited my Grandmother Margaret LEMMON, (daughter of John LEMON) who was married to Robert Henry GORDON, widowed and living with her son John GORDON at Killacronaghan. I don't know if this was the original Killacronaghan LEMON farm or not. The GORDON family had a farm at Templetate and that was the birth address for most of them.
It would certainly appear that we tie in here somewhere but it becomes very confusing because there were a lot of first cousin marriages, both in Monaghan and in California. I am corresponding to HARBISON, LEMON and GORDON cousins
in U.S.A.
I have seen a marriage on the LDS web site for David LEMON b. 1779 to a Mary TODD with a son William born 1817 cc, but I cannot find a direct connection with my own family even though they both have the Killacronaghan address.
Hopefully we can find this connection between us.
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elizabeth3
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Re: LEMON
« Reply #19 on: Wednesday 18 March 09 06:43 UTC (UK) » |
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Dear Toddstown, I wonder if the William LEMON you mention and who you believe was the only member of his immediate family to remain in Ireland when his family emigrated to the U.S.A. is my LEMON ancestor from Killacronaghan. I would like to hear what you have to say and would be very interested to hear more about this particular LEMON family. Elizabeth
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dgclough
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Re: LEMON
« Reply #20 on: Thursday 20 August 09 22:01 UTC (UK) » |
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Hi Elizabeth,
I was just searching on the internet to see whether I could find any more information on our ancestors, the Lemon family, and I found your message. Hallmark stated that Joseph Elliott married Isabella Lemon, daughter of William Lemon. Is this not the same Isabella Lemon that Toddstown mentions? Also, both Isabellas had fathers called William, and both were in Killycronaghan, so it seems likely that they are at least related, if not the same person. Also this William may be the William, son of David Lemon and Mary Todd, that Elizabeth refers to. This would appear to tie in all of our families. I am the great grandson of Mary Elizabeth LEMON, daughter of John LEMON and Harriet WILLIAMSON. Mary married Thomas GRAY and had my granddad, Johnny GRAY.
Thanks,
David
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dgclough
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Re: LEMON
« Reply #21 on: Thursday 20 August 09 22:40 UTC (UK) » |
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On second thoughts I looked at the record and it says the marriage date is around 1816. As we think John Lemon was born around 1846, it would seem unlikely that they are his parents. Also Toddstown's Isabella was born in 1811, so she is not this William's daughter, although they may still be related, as it seems unlikely there are two sets of Lemons in a place as small as Killycronaghan.
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hallmark
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The names is Dave!!
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Re: LEMON
« Reply #22 on: Thursday 20 August 09 23:56 UTC (UK) » |
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Well there's the old Irish saying...."A Lemon never falls far from the tree".. 
I see a West name in the mix, anyone have any West info? Looking for ANY West/Gray records please...
There were 2 William Lemons living in Monaghan at the time Griffith's Valuation took place there in 1858-60.
William Lemon, Sr., Killycronaghan, Killeevan.
William Lemon, Jr., Killycronaghan, Killeevan.
So what ages were they??
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Hall family, Tyrone and Monaghan..Swan/n family also and a pile of others too! Seems everyone is related to each other....Stewart, Longmoore, Wright...
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dgclough
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Re: LEMON
« Reply #23 on: Friday 21 August 09 07:38 UTC (UK) » |
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I think William Sr. was probably the one whose parents were David Lemon and Mary Todd, so he would be born around 1817. William Jr. would then be born around 1837. If he then had a daughter some time around 1857, then she would probably be the one who married Joseph Elliott in 1888.
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dgclough
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Re: LEMON
« Reply #24 on: Friday 21 August 09 07:42 UTC (UK) » |
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There is also a Mary Lemon, who is probably William Senior's wife. The only other people are Matthew HARBISON, Thomas ELLIOTT and Thomas LENNARD. Is this Thomas ELLIOTT the father of Joseph Elliott? I think this Matthew Harbison is the father of Jane Harbison. Is it correct that Jane's mother was also a Lemon?
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dgclough
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Re: LEMON
« Reply #25 on: Friday 21 August 09 07:59 UTC (UK) » |
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Thomas Lennard was actually Sir Thomas Barrett-Lennard, 2nd Baronet and he was the land owner.
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dgclough
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Re: LEMON
« Reply #26 on: Friday 21 August 09 08:03 UTC (UK) » |
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LEMON WILLIAM CARA STREET MONAGHAN CLONES
LEMON ROBERT SHANKILL MONAGHAN CLONES
LEMON ANNE KILLYCOONAGH MONAGHAN KILLEEVAN
LEMON WILLIAM KILLYCRONAGHAN MONAGHAN KILLEEVAN
LEMON MARY KILLYCRONAGHAN MONAGHAN KILLEEVAN
LEMON WILLIAM KILLYCRONAGHAN MONAGHAN KILLEEVAN
LEMON ARTHUR STRACLEVAN MONAGHAN TEDAVNET
SMYTH WILLIAM LISLEA MONAGHAN CURRIN
SMITH JAMES LISLEA MONAGHAN CURRIN
MURPHY EDWARD DRUMAVEALE MONAGHAN CURRIN
SMITH WILLIAM DRUMAVEALE MONAGHAN CURRIN
William Lemon was the landlord of the ones in Currin.
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dgclough
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Re: LEMON
« Reply #28 on: Friday 21 August 09 11:05 UTC (UK) » |
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You haven't mentioned these Wests before, how do they fit in? Did you know the Grays and are you related to them?
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hallmark
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Re: LEMON
« Reply #29 on: Friday 21 August 09 11:34 UTC (UK) » |
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These names are mixed in the various previous posts, the Wests and Greys interconnect..etc.
So by looking at various links it might form a chain! That is why I was asking for ANY West/Gray records...Lemons a reconnected to Halls....West are connected to Halls..others connect to Halls etc.....it is not a straight line due to various marriages along the way.
The Lemons connect to Halls (2 different Hall families!)...Gordons connect to Halls(at least twice!)....Lemons connect to Greys...Swans connect to Nesbitts...Swans connect to Halls...
As for who I'm related to.....many families ( Swann, Wright, Woods, McCrudden, Seymours, Lyons, Scotts, McMurrins, Grahams, Dudgeons, Browns, Gordons, Greys etc) and many of these names are further connected by Swanns marrying Grahams, Browns marrying Swanns, Woods marrying McCruddens, Swanns marrying Dudgeons, Halls marrying Woods, Dudgeons marrying Grahams, Halls marrying Wrights who were already connected to Swanns, etc etc . If you are doing Lemon family you need to find connections to other names as often these families reconnect to each other 2 or 3 generations back..
So if anyone has any West/Grey(Gray) records I'd appreciate them as I am one link short of a connection, thanks.
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Hall family, Tyrone and Monaghan..Swan/n family also and a pile of others too! Seems everyone is related to each other....Stewart, Longmoore, Wright...
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