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C.T
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Hi
Looking for how my great great grandfather Patrick Doolan arrive in the colony from Ardpatrick Ireland. He was married the 5 Nov1835 Black Creek ( Branxton, NSW ) to Margaret Mannix, by Father Watkins, he died 29 Dec 1869, at Branxton, NSW, from Ardpatrick, Ireland, which is on his headstone, his death certificate don't match he was apparently 56 year in the colony, 42 year old when he married and 85 years old when he died, which makes him abt 51 years old when he married, his last child was born 1856
There is a Patrick Doolan who arrive in 1814 on the " Three Bee " but he married a Euphemia Clark, he died in 1836, Wollombi, NSW. He was from Westmeath Ireland
Margaret Mannix was only 23 when she married Patrick
If anyone could help it would be much appreciated,
C.T
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Rochdalian
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Hi C.T.
Go to this website, search under 1814 and ship Three Bees and you will find your man with a fair bit of info.
http://www.pcug.org.au/~ppmay/ships.htm
Cheers
Bob
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Robert Coble
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Hi
Looking for how my great great grandfather Patrick Doolan arrive in the colony from Ardpatrick Ireland. He was married the 5 Nov1835 Black Creek ( Branxton, NSW ) to Margaret Mannix, by Father Watkins, he died 29 Dec 1869, at Branxton, NSW, from Ardpatrick, Ireland, which is on his headstone, his death certificate don't match he was apparently 56 year in the colony, 42 year old when he married and 85 years old when he died, which makes him abt 51 years old when he married, his last child was born 1856
There is a Patrick Doolan who arrive in 1814 on the " Three Bee " but he married a Euphemia Clark, he died in 1836, Wollombi, NSW. He was from Westmeath Ireland
Margaret Mannix was only 23 when she married Patrick
If anyone could help it would be much appreciated,
C.T
Hi CT,
look at this:
http://www.pcug.org.au/~ppmay/cgi-bin/db1/search.cgi?query=4750
Marriage:
V1835266 123/1835
DOOLAN PATRICK
MANNIG MARGARET
LK = Roman Catholic East Maitland, Maitland, West Maitland
Children:
V1836412 121A/1836
DOOLAN ELLEN .
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C.T
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Hi
The Patrick Doolan on the " Three Bees " is not my Patrick. The Patrick on the ship" Three Bees " did married Euphemia Burnett in 1819, and no issue only a adopted daughter whom Euphemia had before she was sent to Australia What you are finding on the Peter Mayberry Site is what I put on there thinking he was my Patrick, but I found that Patrick from the "Three Bees" died 17 Nov 1836 at Wollombi, Euphemia a widow married a Johnstone, forgot to take it off the site
I have Patrick Doolan and Margaret Mannix wedding certificate married 5 Nov 1835 at Black Creek (Branxton, NSW )
After they were married they live at Branxton, until their deaths, they had 11 children, the Ellen you mention died in 1836 and is buried at the Old St Peter's Gleb Cemetery a Matiland also a William and a Patrick is buried there too
On his death certificate his name was Patrick Dolan, but on the headstone Doolan, he was from Ardpatrick,Limerick Ireland also on headstone
The biggest problem is when he arrive in Australia, was he a convict, and how did he get to the Hunter Valley District, his descendants are huge
My mother was a Doolan, I keep hitting a brick wall
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Robert Coble
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Hi C.T ,
Can you tell how they are spelling it on the B.D.M.s in N.S.W. please as I can only fine the one there under Doolan Please.
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PrueM
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Hi CT 
What is Patrick's age and occupation (if any) on the marriage cert? I know it's early but there might be some info there.
There are several Patrick DOOLANs listed in the Colonial Secretary's Index and the Convict records on NSW State Records website. Have you been to that yet?
Prue
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I live in NSW, and am researching:
BALFOUR (Derry) BIGG (Kent) BONSALL (DBY, NTT, CHS) BRISBANE (Fife) DANKS (STS) DOBSON (BRK) FRANCIS (ESS) GOODE (HAM) HAYNES (Cork) INGRAM (MDX, SOM) LANGWORTHY (Jersey, DEV) MCKAY (Fife, Aberdeen, Banff, Moray) MORRISH (LND) NANCARROW (CON) OGILVIE (Moray, LND) STRATHDEE (LND, Banff) - SWAN (Fife)
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PrueM
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Also, like OzyBob I can't find Patrick's death on the NSW BDMs site - under what name was he registered?
There is a Patrick DOLAN died 1870 Maitland, parents Daniel and Ellen - have you ruled him out?
Prue
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I live in NSW, and am researching:
BALFOUR (Derry) BIGG (Kent) BONSALL (DBY, NTT, CHS) BRISBANE (Fife) DANKS (STS) DOBSON (BRK) FRANCIS (ESS) GOODE (HAM) HAYNES (Cork) INGRAM (MDX, SOM) LANGWORTHY (Jersey, DEV) MCKAY (Fife, Aberdeen, Banff, Moray) MORRISH (LND) NANCARROW (CON) OGILVIE (Moray, LND) STRATHDEE (LND, Banff) - SWAN (Fife)
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C.T
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Hi Prue
Death Certificate : The dates are are wrong for a start.
Death : 31 Dec 1870, Branxton, NSW Aged 85 years
Name and Occupation : Patrick Dolan, Farmer
When and where buried : 3 Jan 1870, Catholic burial grounds Branxton, NSW
Parents : Father, Daniel Dolan, farmer, Mother, Ellen Ahern
Where Born : Ardpatrick, Limerick Ireland
How long in the Australasian Colonies, 56 years, it seem to be written over 41 years
Place of Marriage age and to whom : Branxton, on his marriage certificate it was Black Creek, 42 years Margaret Mannix aged 23 years
Informant : Certified by Letter by Margaret Dolan wife of deceased Branxton
As you can notice the death 31 Dec 1870 , Buried 3 Jan 1870
You are right about his parents
On his Headstone Patrick Doolan died 29 Dec 1869, aged 85 years Ardpatrick Limerick Ireland
Two children born under Doolan, Ellen and William, Ellen 1836, William 1837 both only live to 6-8 weeks old, Ellen death registration on BMD under Dowland, and William under Doolan
The rest of the children born under Dooling, Bridget married under Dolan, Timothy died under Dooling
My great granfather Patrick was a Doolan, it was very confusing
The Colonial Secretary Index 1788-1825, the Dooling, Doolan are the Patrick from the ship "Three Bees ", there is Patrick Doolan and brother William that came out 1822 from Limerick but much younger on the ship " Mangles 2 "
Can't prove it, don't think I will
Thanks
C.T
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PrueM
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Hi CT
Don't give up just yet! I hope we will be able to find something of Patrick for you.
The facts that I can glean from what you've posted are:
d Dec 1869, 85 yrs = birth 1784 (death cert and headstone)
m 1835 (marriage cert) OR 1827 (from death cert)
imm 1813 (if 56 years before death) OR 1828 (if 41 years before death)
b 1793 (if he was 42 when married in 1835) OR 1784 (if he was 42 and going by death cert marriage date of 1827)
The only dates we are definite on are his death, 1869, and marriage, 1835.
The immigration date is the most uncertain, with a 15 year difference between the two dates suggested by the death cert.
The birth date is uncertain, but less so, with 9 years difference between the two possibilities.
It all hinges on whether his age at death was accurate or not.
let's say he was 42 when he married in 1835:
he would have been born in 1793
he would have died aged 76
There is the 9 year gap again!
As for his immigration, I would think the earlier the date, the more likely it is that he was not a free man when he came out here. Free immigrants did come out early on, but it was more common later, particularly as assistance schemes were introduced.
I don't think I've helped much here, but I was just trying to get all the dates and ages straight in my mind.  
Prue
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I live in NSW, and am researching:
BALFOUR (Derry) BIGG (Kent) BONSALL (DBY, NTT, CHS) BRISBANE (Fife) DANKS (STS) DOBSON (BRK) FRANCIS (ESS) GOODE (HAM) HAYNES (Cork) INGRAM (MDX, SOM) LANGWORTHY (Jersey, DEV) MCKAY (Fife, Aberdeen, Banff, Moray) MORRISH (LND) NANCARROW (CON) OGILVIE (Moray, LND) STRATHDEE (LND, Banff) - SWAN (Fife)
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C.T
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Hi Prue
I have found something thats very interesting, I have been researching for two years now
The two Doolan brothers William born 1792, and Patrick born 1796, that came on the ship "Mangles" in 1822 were forward to Windsor for distribution to a Richard Kelly. In the census 1823,1824,1825 both Patrick and William were convict labourers for Captain Brabyn, " York Lodge "
Patrick Doolan received his Ticket of leave in1827
In the 1828 census Patrick was a labourer for Mosses Rocket (Rochotz) at Cornwallis Windsor, and William under Dooling, was a assigned convict for John Gaggin at Luskintyre, the Maitland area
They both receive their Certificate of Freedom in 1829
From there on I lost Patrick Doolan
On microfiche Banns Marriages William Doolan permission to marry 1832, to a Mary Mahoney
William died 1836. Church of England on the reels William Dowland, Black Creek, 23 April 1836 aged 40 years , ship Mangles, Free
Catholic William Doolan, West Maitland, 21 April 1836 aged 39, Free, Farmer Minster James Watkin. James Watkin married Patrick and Margaret
William was buried at the old St Peters Glebe, Cemetery Maitland
I have just found a interesting thing, found William Dolan headstone at Glebe Cemetery, Maitland, still standing on a site on the internet, It reads; William Dolan, Limerick Ireland died 6 May 1836, Erected by his brother Patrick
There are three others buried with him Eleanor 1837 could this be Patrick daughter Ellen,William 1838, and Patrick, can't believe it, these are the names of the children Patrick and Margaret lost, the dates are wrong but even William Dolan dates are wrong. Really I think they had to much to worry about than dates
My brother lives down that way, get him to check it out
I think even the dates are wrong when they came out on the ship "Mangles"
William 1792 Patrick 1796
William was 40 years when he died in 1836 that makes him born 1796
So Patrick would have been born 1792 thats makes more sense, except for his age of 85 years when he died, there is a 7 years gap
Well I think I have found him, what do you think
Thanks Prue for your help, I do appreciate it,
C.T
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Hi CT
I don't know if you have explored this excellent site about early settlers in your region of interest.
The names Brabyn, Kelly, Dowland etc. all bring up an item or 2 of interest when typed into search.
Good luck.
Sue
http://www.jenwilletts.com/search.htm
Among other things I see info that Father James Watkins was the first Roman Catholic priest at St Joseph's Church.
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C.T
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Hi Sue
Yes I have explored that site, Patrick Dolan 30 Sep 1846, Black Creek, subscriber for the Irish Funds, would be my great great grandfather, also you will find Mannix and names of interest
Yes Father Watkins was the first Roman Catholic priest at Maitland, Patrick Doolan and Margaret Mannix, marriage was Rev Father James Watkins very first entry in the Marriage Register at Black Creek, (Branxton, NSW). Father Watkins stayed only a short time, Father Dowling was the second priest to take up residence in Maitland. In 1836 Father Watkins left the Maitland area and went to Hobart
Doing my step daughters family tree. Her family goes back to the first five free settlers that came from England. Thomas Rose daughter Mary married William Green their daughter Elizabeth married Richard Kelly, just a bit of trivia, she would have been there when Patrick and William Doolan arrive
I think I have found my missing link
Thanks keeps
C.T
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helenmk
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Does anyone have the baptismal and marriage dates for this family? Patrick and Margaret DOOLAN were my ggg grandparents. Their daughter married Henry WHEELER son of John and Maria Ann(e) Dottin (nee HOGG) WHEELER. I have some details about this family but am having problems with the DOOLANs as being good catholics didn't register their details with govt authorities. Consequently are proving difficult to find esp as I live interstate and can't just pop in for a record search.
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cando
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Hi helenmk
Welcome to rootschat.
He [Patrick] was married the 5 Nov1835 Black Creek ( Branxton, NSW ) to Margaret Mannix, by Father Watkins, he died 29 Dec 1869, at Branxton, NSW, from Ardpatrick, Ireland, which is on his headstone, his death certificate don't match he was apparently 56 year in the colony, 42 year old when he married and 85 years old when he died, which makes him abt 51 years old when he married, his last child was born 1856 C.T
The marriage with the bride's surname mistranscribed.
http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/familyHistory/search.htm
V1835266 123/1835
DOOLAN Patrick
MANNIG MARGARET
LK = Roman Catholic Church at either East Maitland, Maitland, or West Maitland
Pre 1856 you will only find Parish records. Civil registration commenced 1856. A little about it here -
http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/familyHistory/historyofRegistrysRec.htm
Cheers
Cando
Apologies Robert I missed your post with the same marriage 
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helenmk
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The NSW BDM is not my problem with this family. I have a string of relatives that come from this DOOLAN line but have NOT registered with government authorities. I know that they are to be found in local parish registers, but I can't get to them at this stage. My grand father's birth was not registered with the govt. My great grandfather's death is also not registered. There is also quite a number of other missing details/rels. Which may explain the absence of Death Reg etc. Roman Catholics, pre Vatican II it seems, were told that there is only one authority that matters, the Holy Church of Rome. Also there was a degree of resentment having to do the same thing twice (i.e. register) and pay for the privilege. What I can say is that Henry WHEELER m Margaret DOOLAN 21/6/1859, witt: Ellen DOOLAN & John WHEELER. Henry died 22/2/1878 @ Uralla. Margaret's fate unknown at this stage but had young children. There was also a Bridget DOOLAN born around 1848 @ Branxton who seems/may have had a string of children to Thomas BEAHAN - but this pairing is elusive too.
Cheers,
helen
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