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Maddie
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Hi
Can I ask for some help or pointers to finding information on my Grt Grandfathers sister who emigrated to Australia.
He actually had 2 sisters that emigrated & I have, with some help from Rootschatters, found one family & we have corresponded.
They were Julia & Albert Franklin who sailed on the SS Borda & arrived in Victoria in August 1920. Their descendents live in Melbourne.
It's Julia's sister that I can't find any trace of. Her name was Sarah Selina Beament, she had a daughter Annie Gertrude who married Edward Taylor in Watford Herts in 1912. I presumed that they would have emigrated together but then I also thought that they would have been with the Franklins on the Borda & that doesn't seem to have been the case. !!
I know from corresponding with my Franklin relations that Selina (apparently the name she used) is remembered vaguely by some of the family & they also have a photo album that belonged to her. So, although she was deffinately in Australia after 1920, no one knows what happened to her or her daughter.
I'm sorry if this is a bit long winded & vague but I would be grateful for any ideas where I might look for any clues.
Thanks in advance
Maddie
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Beament, Hertfordshire Brown, Herts & Berkshire Wise, Berkshire Dwight, Buckinghamshire Census Information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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cando
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Is this Selina in the 1901 census?
RG13/1317 35 16
10 Cambridge Tce Watford
Selina BEAMENT H S 37 Dressmaker b. Herts. Watford
Gertrude Dau 12 b. Kent Chatham
This may be her with sister Julia in 1871
RG10/1379 163 7
Waterdell Farm St Stephens Herts
James BEAMENT H M 49 Farm Bailiff b. Herts ?Ricks
Frances W M 48 b. Herts
George S 20 Unemployed W/smith b. Herts.Watford
Mary Ann D 18 b. Herts. Watford
William S 16 b. Herts. St.Stephens
Alfred S 11 b.Herts.Watford
Julia D 8 " "
Selina D 6 " "
Georgiana D 4 " "
Robert Steeman Nurse Child 7 mos " "
Birth Reg for Sarah Selina BEAMENT 1864 Mar qtr Wateford 3a 331
Marriage
Annie G BEAMENT to Edward TAYLOR 1912 Dec qtr
Watford 3a 1633
Cheers
cando
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gennig
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Hi Maddie
Vera Gertrude TAYLOR born Fairfield 1917 Reg: 20302 Parents: Edward Taylor & Gertrude Annie BEAMENT.
Gertrude Annie TAYLOR Parents: Unknown died Ivanhoe Aged 43 1931 Reg: 14659
Regards
Genni
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******************************************* All census look up transcriptions are Crown copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk******************************************* Surnames: Armstrong, Gray, Greco, Lambden, Le Busque, Beaton, Carron, Pitt, Gould Areas: Victoria, Tasmania, Hampshire, Berkshire, Yorkshire, Fermanagh, Glamorgan |
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cando
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Also
Vera Gertrude TAYLOR married Arthur John SINCLAIR 1938 / Reg 9700
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cando
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Maddie
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Oh my goodness, you wonderful people. 
Yes, that is Selina & Julia in 1871 & 1901. I am thrilled to bits that at last I have concrete evidence of them being in Australia.
Vera G is certainly a daughter of Annie G. Can you tell me please, where is Fairfield & Ivanhoe.
As far as I know Sarah Selina never married, well not in UK any way. The only info I have to where they may have lived is where my Franklin's were. Julia & Albert's son, Albert Ernest enlisted in the AIF in 1915 at Surrey Hills. Presumably his parents went to him in 1920. ( I have found his service record on the NAA & was amazed at so much info, what a brilliant site.)
The Franklin descendent's that I have been in touch with live in Donvale.
Many many thanks for what you have found so far & if there is anything else I will be so very grateful.
Best wishes
Maddie
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tropicalj
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Hello there
I have had a good look at the indexs and cannot find anything on Sarah Selina Beament
at this point There is only evidence of her daughter being in Australia?
Annie gerturde married in the uk and then had a child in 1917 in victoria australia so this couple have come between those years to australia
regards jenn
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When you search for ancestors, you find great friends! I live in Townsville, Australia researching TOWNSEND,PINNEGAR, STRANGE, PULLEN, GRIFFIN from Wiltshire,, SHOEBRIDGE, VINALL, BRINDLE, Kent BAYLEY, Dorset,Yorkshire, HAIR, Durham, CUMMINS, BROWNLESS from Yorkshire, EDSALL, Cornwall, MORGAN, HENNESSY, BAKER, Ireland. In Australia Hennessy, Hair, Bayley, Townsend, Shoebridge, Edsall, Adamson, All Census Look Ups Are Crown Copyright from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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cando
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Hi Maddie
Fairfield and Ivanhoe are eastern suburbs of Melbourne - my ancestors also lived in these suburbs  I probably haven't described the location very well.
Cheers
cando
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ChristineR
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http://www.fcmp.com.au/genealogicalsearch.asp
Gertrude Annie is buried in the Fawkner Cemetery.
In case you do not know anything about our Victorian death certs - for $A17.50 you can download an image of the death registration. This will give you the names and ages of her children - presuming the informant knows.
http://www.dvc.vic.gov.au/bdm.htm
A marriage certificate has the names of both parents, including mother's maiden name and fathers occupations. Also the ages and birthplaces of the bridal couple, as well as their current and/or usual address at the time of marriage.
A birth certificate has the ages and birthplaces of the parents of the child, when and where they married, and the names and ages of other children from the marriage (so the birth of the 1917 one will list all previous kids, living and deceased) and father's occupation.
Christine
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tropicalj
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Hello there
Found a marriage for
Sarah Selina Beament to James Robb Paterson in 1922 in victoria reg no 5120
regards jenn
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When you search for ancestors, you find great friends! I live in Townsville, Australia researching TOWNSEND,PINNEGAR, STRANGE, PULLEN, GRIFFIN from Wiltshire,, SHOEBRIDGE, VINALL, BRINDLE, Kent BAYLEY, Dorset,Yorkshire, HAIR, Durham, CUMMINS, BROWNLESS from Yorkshire, EDSALL, Cornwall, MORGAN, HENNESSY, BAKER, Ireland. In Australia Hennessy, Hair, Bayley, Townsend, Shoebridge, Edsall, Adamson, All Census Look Ups Are Crown Copyright from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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cando
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and a death in 1939 with parents unknown Reg No 5413
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cando
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tropicalj
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Hello there
and she is buried in Fawkner Cemetery along with hubby who died in 1929 aged 90 years of age so he was 83 years old when they married 
regards jenn
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When you search for ancestors, you find great friends! I live in Townsville, Australia researching TOWNSEND,PINNEGAR, STRANGE, PULLEN, GRIFFIN from Wiltshire,, SHOEBRIDGE, VINALL, BRINDLE, Kent BAYLEY, Dorset,Yorkshire, HAIR, Durham, CUMMINS, BROWNLESS from Yorkshire, EDSALL, Cornwall, MORGAN, HENNESSY, BAKER, Ireland. In Australia Hennessy, Hair, Bayley, Townsend, Shoebridge, Edsall, Adamson, All Census Look Ups Are Crown Copyright from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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Maddie
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Wow oh wow,
Thank you all so much, I have to get my head round this lot. 
Christine, thank you for the info on registration certs, I will look into that.
I can't believe Sarah Selina married in 1922, she must have been in her 60's. Good grief, the air must be good in Oz. 
I will put all this info down & study it. Hopefully I can find a distant relation on the Sinclair line somewhere in the Melbourne area.
I am so grateful to all of you.
Oh, just got jenn's last one, flippin heck, 83, I want what they were on. 
Best wishes
Maddie
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gennig
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Hi Maddie
I'll check electoral rolls next time I go to State Library. See If I can find any information for you.
Sarah Selina died in Thornbury an innner suburb of Melbourne.
With regards to where the suburbs are in relation to Melbourne City GPO. Surrey Hills is about 12km away,Donvale is 20km, Thornbury is 7km, Ivanhoe about 9km & Fairfield is about 5km and part of the Inner suburbs of Melbourne. All are North East or East of the city.
Regards
Genni
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******************************************* All census look up transcriptions are Crown copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk******************************************* Surnames: Armstrong, Gray, Greco, Lambden, Le Busque, Beaton, Carron, Pitt, Gould Areas: Victoria, Tasmania, Hampshire, Berkshire, Yorkshire, Fermanagh, Glamorgan |
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tropicalj
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Hello there Madie
Now Arthur John Sinclair service no V354117 is on the NAA site but the file is not digitalised as yet but it is very simple to reequest it takes them about 4 to 6 weeks
he is also on the WW2 nominal roll site
http://www.ww2roll.gov.au/
which gives you some basic info for him
hope this helps
regards jenn
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When you search for ancestors, you find great friends! I live in Townsville, Australia researching TOWNSEND,PINNEGAR, STRANGE, PULLEN, GRIFFIN from Wiltshire,, SHOEBRIDGE, VINALL, BRINDLE, Kent BAYLEY, Dorset,Yorkshire, HAIR, Durham, CUMMINS, BROWNLESS from Yorkshire, EDSALL, Cornwall, MORGAN, HENNESSY, BAKER, Ireland. In Australia Hennessy, Hair, Bayley, Townsend, Shoebridge, Edsall, Adamson, All Census Look Ups Are Crown Copyright from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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