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Topic: Sutherlands, Canterbury,can you please help? (Read 540 times)
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Tiffaney
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Could someone please assist me to find a connection to my Christina Sutherland born Caithness.
I found this at Christchurch library:
Sutherland, George Alexander & Annie Lanvin Knudsen
Marriage date: 27 March 1902
Place: St Paul's Church.
age: 29 age: 24
Status: Br. Spr.
Occupation: Carpenter
Birthplace: Christchurch Pigeon Bay
Residence: (present) ChCh ChCh
(usual) ChCh Pigeon Bay.
This is the bit which fits in.
Parents (groom) Archibald Cook Sutherland, plasterer
& Barbara nee Munro
(bride) Andreas Knudsen, farmer
& Elmira nee White.
Witness: John McLauchlan, farmer, Waterton, Ashburton (my
grandfather)
Barbara A. Smellie, Christchurch.
J. Elmslie, DD Reg: SPPR3 599c
Their children:
George Munro Sutherland b. 22 June 1909
Res: New Brighton Reg: SFNC2 369
Ian Ross Sutherland b. 25 July 1915. Reg: SFNB2 397
Lorna Dagmur Sutherland b. 21 November 1912 Reg: SFNE2 376
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Also found:
Archibald Cook Sutherland buried 21 July 1876
(5 mths) Plot 137A pd 21 July 1876 Reg: AC' 1152
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Why I am so interested in the name Archibald Cook Sutherland is because Christina Sutherland born 16 Nov 1838, Dunbeath, Caithness who married William McLauchlan June 1868 in the house of Mr Sutherland, South Town Belt..named one of their boys William Archibald Cook McLauchlan which may lead me to her family.
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A witness at their wedding was a James Sutherland, farmer, Selwyn
Found a James Sutherland b. 1842c
died 15 May 1871
buried 17 May 1871
Plot 137c age 29 years. Reg: ACI 597.
Does anyone know how I could check his parentage or where he came from. The dates tie in with my Christina Sutherland 1838.
Would love to have any help or suggestions please,
Thanks.
Tiffaney
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Caithness: Sutherland /Sutherland (2 families)
Perthshire: McLauchlan, Galletly. Dunn. Milne/ Mills(b Cargill)
Glasgow: Paisley: Gilmour; Fillens (
Orkney: Shearer, Peace, Laughton,Sinclair
Devon: Moore, Gempton, Copp,
London: Bond, Rix, Nightingale,Hartley, Mason
Nottingham: Bomforth, Shaw
Australia: Graham, Tattersall, Moore, Galletly
Ireland: Angland
Scotland: Skinner
New Zealand: McLauchlan, Sutherland, Shearer, Rix, Moore, Hartley,Mason, Gilmour Bomforth, Shaw, Dunn, Galletly
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Tiffaney
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Hi Bunny, thrilled with all the info. you have given me. Cemetaries site
proved very worthwhile espec. Addington. Also thank you for looking up probates for me. Don't get to town very often but will make a trip asap. William A C McLauchlan was my grandfather John's brother, son of William McLauchlan & Christina Sutherland.
Obits lookup would be great when you can, unless you know of a web site I can start on.
Feel more optomistic now. Great!!
Tiffaney
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Caithness: Sutherland /Sutherland (2 families)
Perthshire: McLauchlan, Galletly. Dunn. Milne/ Mills(b Cargill)
Glasgow: Paisley: Gilmour; Fillens (
Orkney: Shearer, Peace, Laughton,Sinclair
Devon: Moore, Gempton, Copp,
London: Bond, Rix, Nightingale,Hartley, Mason
Nottingham: Bomforth, Shaw
Australia: Graham, Tattersall, Moore, Galletly
Ireland: Angland
Scotland: Skinner
New Zealand: McLauchlan, Sutherland, Shearer, Rix, Moore, Hartley,Mason, Gilmour Bomforth, Shaw, Dunn, Galletly
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Tiffaney
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Hi Bunny, Thank you for informing re procedure for probates. Very useful .When in ChCh time is usually very limited so your info. is great.
Will get back to you tomorrow re obits. Have been busy with Mums & piglets today. Off to hit the sack!! Thanks for your generosity.
Cheers,
Tiffaney
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Caithness: Sutherland /Sutherland (2 families)
Perthshire: McLauchlan, Galletly. Dunn. Milne/ Mills(b Cargill)
Glasgow: Paisley: Gilmour; Fillens (
Orkney: Shearer, Peace, Laughton,Sinclair
Devon: Moore, Gempton, Copp,
London: Bond, Rix, Nightingale,Hartley, Mason
Nottingham: Bomforth, Shaw
Australia: Graham, Tattersall, Moore, Galletly
Ireland: Angland
Scotland: Skinner
New Zealand: McLauchlan, Sutherland, Shearer, Rix, Moore, Hartley,Mason, Gilmour Bomforth, Shaw, Dunn, Galletly
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Tiffaney
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Hi Bunny,
re obits. Is name & date of death enough. if so would love to find obits of:
William Sutherland. dod Saturday 7 July 1894. Age 28yrs. Addington cemetary.
James William Sutherland. dod Weds. 28 July 1875. Addington cemetary.
James Sutherland dod 15 May 1871. buried 17 May 1871. Age: 29yrs.
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There is also a Charles Hartley dod 7 February, 1908. Buried 9 Feb. 1908, Okains Bay, Akaroa. age: 77yrs.
He was married to Martha who predeceased him June 10 1880 age:42yrs. Buried Okains Bay Akaroa 13 June 1880 .
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Any of the above would be great. Many thanks,
Tiffaney
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Caithness: Sutherland /Sutherland (2 families)
Perthshire: McLauchlan, Galletly. Dunn. Milne/ Mills(b Cargill)
Glasgow: Paisley: Gilmour; Fillens (
Orkney: Shearer, Peace, Laughton,Sinclair
Devon: Moore, Gempton, Copp,
London: Bond, Rix, Nightingale,Hartley, Mason
Nottingham: Bomforth, Shaw
Australia: Graham, Tattersall, Moore, Galletly
Ireland: Angland
Scotland: Skinner
New Zealand: McLauchlan, Sutherland, Shearer, Rix, Moore, Hartley,Mason, Gilmour Bomforth, Shaw, Dunn, Galletly
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Infobunny
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Hi Tiff,
Out of the names you gave me I managed to find the following:
1. 'The Press', Monday 7 July, 1894, page 3
SUTHERLAND - On July 4th, at 36 Walker Street, William Sutherland, the dearly beloved husband of Jessie Sutherland, aged 28. Deeply regretted.
2. 'The Press', Monday 15 May, 1871
SUTHERLAND - May 14, at the residence of his brother-in-law, Sultan Farm, Lincoln, Mr James Sutherland, aged 29 years.
There was nothing for James William Sutherland or for Martha Hartley on or around the dates given. Quite possible that no notice was put in for either of them.
And here is the last one:
3. 'The Akaroa Mail, Tuesday, February 11, 1908
OKAINS BAY - From our own correspondent
OBITUARY - One of the old identities of Banks Peninsula, and one of those who helped to bind the Okain's of today to the old days of pioneer settlement, passed away on Friday morning at Akaroa, in the person of Mr Charles Hartley. Mr Hartley, who was 78 years of age, liek many of the old Peninsula settlers began life as a sailor, and led for some years a strenuous life on ships in many parts of the world, especially among the Pacific Islands, and on the whalers which visited these shores. Many a good tale could he tell, and tell well, of those times, enlivened by sayings in many languages, especially in Kanaka and Maori, he being a fluent speaker in the latter tongue. Leaving the sea, he settled in Okain's Bay nearly fifty years ago, and has seen it gradually change from a wilderness of bush, &c., to its present flourishing condition. Mr Hartley led an active life until he was laid low by a stroke about two years ago, since when he has gradually failed. For some time past he has been living for treatment in Akaroa, where, as stated, he died on Friday last. He leaves a family of grown-up sons and daughters, many of whom are well known in different branches of sport. The respect in which the deceased and his family are held was shown by the large assemblages at his funeral, which took place at the Okain's Bay cemetery on Sunday.
Okay so while it doesn't tell you people's names (darn!) it does leave you some really good clues about his life and the fact that he appeared to live at Okain's Bay his whole NZ life (on the basis he wasn't born here, him being a sailor and all that).
No worries, eh.
Bunny 
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Tiffaney
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 :)Hi Bunny,
Have learnt so much from your lookups...brilliant...espec. Charles Hartley being a seaman & whaler, never thought of that. Believed he had arrived in NZ straight from London.
Also James Sutherland dying at Sultan Farm, Lincoln is extremely helpful, maybe William McLauchlan's Farm. He may just be Christina's brother at long last.Gives me another clue.
Is the Akaroa Mail on line..would be great as I have quite a few of the family having lived in the Bays.
Greatly appreciate your time & wonderful lookups...Thank you so much. They are great to have.
Cheers
Tiffaney
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Caithness: Sutherland /Sutherland (2 families)
Perthshire: McLauchlan, Galletly. Dunn. Milne/ Mills(b Cargill)
Glasgow: Paisley: Gilmour; Fillens (
Orkney: Shearer, Peace, Laughton,Sinclair
Devon: Moore, Gempton, Copp,
London: Bond, Rix, Nightingale,Hartley, Mason
Nottingham: Bomforth, Shaw
Australia: Graham, Tattersall, Moore, Galletly
Ireland: Angland
Scotland: Skinner
New Zealand: McLauchlan, Sutherland, Shearer, Rix, Moore, Hartley,Mason, Gilmour Bomforth, Shaw, Dunn, Galletly
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Tiffaney
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Hi Bunny,
You're a gem!!. Emailed Akaroa Mail publisher today...hope he replies.
Will go to Okain's In the Summer to Murray Thacker's Museum & the Cemetery & may have to work it during the week to go to Akaroa & go through Akaroa Mail...aren't I silly most probably have it at ChCh Library!!. That was where you found it at the library wasn't it. 
Do whalers ships have lists of sailors...that will take time no doubt.
Feeling on top of the world wwith all the info. Also written to NZSG..will keep you informed.
Thanks a lot for still offering to help.
Cheers Tiff
Ps You've got a good memory..(Nightingale)!!!Tootles.
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Caithness: Sutherland /Sutherland (2 families)
Perthshire: McLauchlan, Galletly. Dunn. Milne/ Mills(b Cargill)
Glasgow: Paisley: Gilmour; Fillens (
Orkney: Shearer, Peace, Laughton,Sinclair
Devon: Moore, Gempton, Copp,
London: Bond, Rix, Nightingale,Hartley, Mason
Nottingham: Bomforth, Shaw
Australia: Graham, Tattersall, Moore, Galletly
Ireland: Angland
Scotland: Skinner
New Zealand: McLauchlan, Sutherland, Shearer, Rix, Moore, Hartley,Mason, Gilmour Bomforth, Shaw, Dunn, Galletly
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Tiffaney
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Hi Bunny,
Would love to have Charles Hartleys obit. posted on subject Where in England did my Charles Hartley b. 1831 etc. Is it ok if I type it up.
Thanks re Aotearoa Room..hope I can go soon... in the meantime will drop an email to Murray Thacker's Museum at Okains.
One of the other early ancestors at Okains who came from England George Mason was also a sailor & whaler before settling as a farmer at Okains. Will read their references in the book I have may help with Charles Hartley.
Tootles, Tiff
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Caithness: Sutherland /Sutherland (2 families)
Perthshire: McLauchlan, Galletly. Dunn. Milne/ Mills(b Cargill)
Glasgow: Paisley: Gilmour; Fillens (
Orkney: Shearer, Peace, Laughton,Sinclair
Devon: Moore, Gempton, Copp,
London: Bond, Rix, Nightingale,Hartley, Mason
Nottingham: Bomforth, Shaw
Australia: Graham, Tattersall, Moore, Galletly
Ireland: Angland
Scotland: Skinner
New Zealand: McLauchlan, Sutherland, Shearer, Rix, Moore, Hartley,Mason, Gilmour Bomforth, Shaw, Dunn, Galletly
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Tiffaney
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:Hi again Bunny, meant to say will enter part of Charles Hatley's obit re being a sailor & whaler under his subject "Where in England did my Charles ..etc."
Just going for a brain oil & grease. 
Cheers Tiff
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Caithness: Sutherland /Sutherland (2 families)
Perthshire: McLauchlan, Galletly. Dunn. Milne/ Mills(b Cargill)
Glasgow: Paisley: Gilmour; Fillens (
Orkney: Shearer, Peace, Laughton,Sinclair
Devon: Moore, Gempton, Copp,
London: Bond, Rix, Nightingale,Hartley, Mason
Nottingham: Bomforth, Shaw
Australia: Graham, Tattersall, Moore, Galletly
Ireland: Angland
Scotland: Skinner
New Zealand: McLauchlan, Sutherland, Shearer, Rix, Moore, Hartley,Mason, Gilmour Bomforth, Shaw, Dunn, Galletly
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Tiffaney
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Hi Bunny, just to let let u know after all your wonderful help am still drawing a blank with my Charles Hartley, born London??? seaman, whaler, shoemaker & farmer, husband & father. Soooooo frustrating.!!
Wanted to wish you & yours a joyful Christmas & a brilliant 2007. Take care,
Tiffaney
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Caithness: Sutherland /Sutherland (2 families)
Perthshire: McLauchlan, Galletly. Dunn. Milne/ Mills(b Cargill)
Glasgow: Paisley: Gilmour; Fillens (
Orkney: Shearer, Peace, Laughton,Sinclair
Devon: Moore, Gempton, Copp,
London: Bond, Rix, Nightingale,Hartley, Mason
Nottingham: Bomforth, Shaw
Australia: Graham, Tattersall, Moore, Galletly
Ireland: Angland
Scotland: Skinner
New Zealand: McLauchlan, Sutherland, Shearer, Rix, Moore, Hartley,Mason, Gilmour Bomforth, Shaw, Dunn, Galletly
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). That's how come I can check all of these marvellous newspapers.