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Topic: 1930 census lookup please for GILL family members. (Read 935 times)
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charlotteCH
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In 1920 census William GILL & wife Ada [nee HINCHCLIFFE] are in Central Falls Providence RI with their children:
Hargreaves GILL b 1904,[labourer in tape mill in 1920]
Edith GILL b 1906
William GILL B 1907 and
Harry GILL b 1912.
I wonder if anyone can help me find where they are all in 1930 census please? The children's whereabouts is more significant than the parents because I know that the father William died in 1932 and is buried in Oak Grove Cem, Pawtucket and his wife Ada died in 1960 & was buried there then.
The children seem to have just vanished, so I am now in pursuit of them.
Any help with this will be very much appreciated- and thank you,
charlotte
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HARGREAVES, HANSON, BAILEY, BURTON, HEWITT, JAGGER, LOCKWOOD, UTTLEY, MIDGLEY, RUDD, TAYLOR, HOLDEN, SHAW Halifax / Sowerby/ Southowram 18C+
GILL, Accrington, Blackburn, West Derby, Lancs, migrated USA 1891 to RI: GILL in SC: HOTCHKISS in RI: PELOQUIN in RI
HUMPHRIES, HILLIER, ALLEN, LYDBURY Nunney/Frome 18-19C
HUMPHRIES, BIGFORD, JOYCE, HEWITT, ROBINSON, McMULLEN, SUFFEL, CARNEY, MARRON, COMPTON, FREEMAN Ont. Canada 1830+
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KathMc
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Charlotte,
I have had a look around and can't seem to find them anywhere. I can't even find the parents in the 1930 census. Do you think they could have been traveling? Did they ever go back to England for a visit?
Kath
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Wexford and Staffordshire: Hayes, McClean
Galway and Staffordshire: Scott
Coventry: Wells, Collins, Palmer, Moody, Beck, Mickelwright, Husbands
Ireland: McNulty (Sligo), Kealy, Murphy (Carlow) Connolly, Gillen, Powell, Ryan, Moore, Martin
Davis from I don't know where originally
Stahl, Russia to England to USA
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charlotteCH
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Kath, Thanks for looking- funny one that no one is there- I doubt that they would have gone back to England even on a visit.
I don't think that sort of money was around.
It's theoretically possible they could have been out of the country but...
Can you please tell me the date of the 1930 census?
I have looked for the sons in the SSDI and maybe Harry is there- in fact there are 2 Harry Gill b. 1912 but the others don't seem to be there. Always mysteries in family history.
Thanks again for looking. I appreciate your help,
charlotte
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HARGREAVES, HANSON, BAILEY, BURTON, HEWITT, JAGGER, LOCKWOOD, UTTLEY, MIDGLEY, RUDD, TAYLOR, HOLDEN, SHAW Halifax / Sowerby/ Southowram 18C+
GILL, Accrington, Blackburn, West Derby, Lancs, migrated USA 1891 to RI: GILL in SC: HOTCHKISS in RI: PELOQUIN in RI
HUMPHRIES, HILLIER, ALLEN, LYDBURY Nunney/Frome 18-19C
HUMPHRIES, BIGFORD, JOYCE, HEWITT, ROBINSON, McMULLEN, SUFFEL, CARNEY, MARRON, COMPTON, FREEMAN Ont. Canada 1830+
82nd Regt of Foot 1808-1825
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charlotteCH
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Kath, Have just thought of a further point- not only are the parents William and Ada buried in that cemetery - I have photos of the headstones on their graves but behind their headstones is a larger headstone with just the word GILL on it - which would seem to indicate that the family remained nearby and died there- so their disappearance from the 1930 census is all the more puzzling.
Is writing to a US cemetery likley to get an answer? Any ideas, comments welcome.
Thanks,
charlotte
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HARGREAVES, HANSON, BAILEY, BURTON, HEWITT, JAGGER, LOCKWOOD, UTTLEY, MIDGLEY, RUDD, TAYLOR, HOLDEN, SHAW Halifax / Sowerby/ Southowram 18C+
GILL, Accrington, Blackburn, West Derby, Lancs, migrated USA 1891 to RI: GILL in SC: HOTCHKISS in RI: PELOQUIN in RI
HUMPHRIES, HILLIER, ALLEN, LYDBURY Nunney/Frome 18-19C
HUMPHRIES, BIGFORD, JOYCE, HEWITT, ROBINSON, McMULLEN, SUFFEL, CARNEY, MARRON, COMPTON, FREEMAN Ont. Canada 1830+
82nd Regt of Foot 1808-1825
1st WRY Militia 1780-1808
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KathMc
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I think writing is a great idea. They should respond, especially if you include a self addressed stamped envelope. When looking on the census, there were other Gills in the area. Do you know if they had other family around them. I believe there was a Charles who had been born in England also. Good luck.
Kath
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Sligo: Davey (also Mayo), McCluskey, McNulty
Wexford and Staffordshire: Hayes, McClean
Galway and Staffordshire: Scott
Coventry: Wells, Collins, Palmer, Moody, Beck, Mickelwright, Husbands
Ireland: McNulty (Sligo), Kealy, Murphy (Carlow) Connolly, Gillen, Powell, Ryan, Moore, Martin
Davis from I don't know where originally
Stahl, Russia to England to USA
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johnnyboy
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Hi Charlotte: I found a Harry Gill born 1913 (not 1912) in the Social Security Death Index. He died 1980, and he's the only Harry Gill with his Social Security number issued in Rhode Island. He died in Providence, close by Pawtucket.
Here's the link to go right to the page with Harry:
http://ssdi.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/ssdi.cgi?lastname=gill&firstname=harry&stat=a&start=1
There are three Williams (born 1907) listed in the death index. One died in Woonsocket, RI, one died in Pawtucket, RI, and the third died in West Palm Beach, Florida. All with ssn issued in Rhode Island.
Here's the link to go right to the page with the three Willies
http://ssdi.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/ssdi.cgi?lastname=gill&firstname=william&stat=a&start=21
There's also an Edith Gill born Nov 1905 in the death index, died Woonsocket. This one assumes that she never married, as I think women are listed under their married name. Here's the link anyway.
http://ssdi.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/ssdi.cgi?lastname=gill&firstname=edith&stat=a&start=1
No listing for Hargreaves Gill. Could mean many things--for example, he might have died before 1962, when the index was started.
If you send me the telephone number of the cemetery with names and dates of people you're seeking, I can call the cemetery for you and PM you with what I find. I'll be able to do it in the next week or so.
Regards,
John
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England, YKS: SLATER of Ovenden and Halifax; DRURY of Darton, Mapplewell, Sheffield and Halifax; DOBSON of Thornton (near Bradford); NEVILL(E) of Wigan, Lancs and Darton; MEGSON of Dewsbury; GARSIDE of Woolley and West Bretton.
Scotland: HENDRY of Who-knows-where-shire and Massachusetts, USA; HOUSTON of Lesmahagow and Glasgow and Massachusetts, USA; DEMPSTER of Lesmahagow; MEIKLE of Ayrshire, Hamilton, and Glasgow; COCHRAN of Hamilton.
Paradise: EVE and ADAM, also in exile
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charlotteCH
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Hi John & KathMc, Thanks for your replies and help.
The links are very helpful John- I assumed ages based on what the 1920 census gave- Harry is in his parent's house and the age is given as 8 so I assumed it was correct and that he was born 1912.
But in the absence of any other Harry GILLs and with the RI location, maybe this is my Harry. All very tantalising.
I have no knowledge of what happened to Edith. She's in 1920 as aged 14. Same ambiguity. Pity they didn't ask the birthdate.
Does anyone know the date on which the census was taken in 1920 ?
John, Thanks for the offer to phone the cemetery- I'll get the telephone number and post the rest of the info. when I have the phone #. You are very kind to offer to do this and I apprecaite your help very much.
Attached ia a photo of the graves under discussion- the 2 in the foreground are the parents- the inscriptions check out precisely but the one at the back just has GILL on it- and I find it hard to believe it is not connected with the other two- other family members. Will get back to you with phone number
charlotte
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HARGREAVES, HANSON, BAILEY, BURTON, HEWITT, JAGGER, LOCKWOOD, UTTLEY, MIDGLEY, RUDD, TAYLOR, HOLDEN, SHAW Halifax / Sowerby/ Southowram 18C+
GILL, Accrington, Blackburn, West Derby, Lancs, migrated USA 1891 to RI: GILL in SC: HOTCHKISS in RI: PELOQUIN in RI
HUMPHRIES, HILLIER, ALLEN, LYDBURY Nunney/Frome 18-19C
HUMPHRIES, BIGFORD, JOYCE, HEWITT, ROBINSON, McMULLEN, SUFFEL, CARNEY, MARRON, COMPTON, FREEMAN Ont. Canada 1830+
82nd Regt of Foot 1808-1825
1st WRY Militia 1780-1808
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YvonneR
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Hi Charlotte
I too have tried every combination and cannot find them at all in the 1930 census 
The only thing that I have come up with is this possibility for a death for Hargreaves. The only reason that I think that it could be a possibility is because I vaguely recall that one of the Gill family were in South Carolina at some time 
South Carolina Death Index
Hargreav Gill
Death Date - 19 Jul 1946
Age in years - 42
Estimated birth year - 1904
County - Greenville
Death Certificate Number - 8280
Agnes
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My family research Sheridan - Leitrim, Ireland, New York, USA, Birmingham, England Finnegan - Ireland, New York, USA Gilmartin - Leitrim, Ireland, New York, USA Cashal - Ireland, New York, USA Donnelly - Ireland Reilly - Ireland My husbands family research Robinson - Birmingham, England Turner - Birmingham, England Beresford - Birmingham, England Hall - Birmingham, England Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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charlotteCH
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Agnes, Again you show you are a genius- that is my Hargreaves GILL born RI 1904. Other Gills- his cousins and uncle- went to SC and to Greenville SC specifically to live and are still around there.
It has/had a tape mill which may have been employmnet opportunity as the GILLS had been connected with cotton milling from way back in England. --
This death record is the first sighting there has been of any of that family since the 1920 census.
Just had another fascinating hour on US yellow pages looking for cemeteries- those in RI sure don't seem to want to attract customers!
Ended up emailing a funeral director in Pawtucket to ask for the Oak Grove Cem office number- what he'll make of thatrequest from beyond USA remains to be seen.
Thank you again Agnes for fossicking around and coming up with that. Maybe I now need to see if there is an obit in a local paper although 1946 is a bit early for them to be indexed and online- an obit would give me his family's names.
Thanks
charlotte
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HARGREAVES, HANSON, BAILEY, BURTON, HEWITT, JAGGER, LOCKWOOD, UTTLEY, MIDGLEY, RUDD, TAYLOR, HOLDEN, SHAW Halifax / Sowerby/ Southowram 18C+
GILL, Accrington, Blackburn, West Derby, Lancs, migrated USA 1891 to RI: GILL in SC: HOTCHKISS in RI: PELOQUIN in RI
HUMPHRIES, HILLIER, ALLEN, LYDBURY Nunney/Frome 18-19C
HUMPHRIES, BIGFORD, JOYCE, HEWITT, ROBINSON, McMULLEN, SUFFEL, CARNEY, MARRON, COMPTON, FREEMAN Ont. Canada 1830+
82nd Regt of Foot 1808-1825
1st WRY Militia 1780-1808
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johnnyboy
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Hi Charlotte and Agnes and Kath and Maggie10 (when she has a look):
You won't find Oak Grove Cemetery in the Yellow Pages. I called another cemetery in Pawtucket and was told that it is owned and maintained by the City of Pawtucket. Have called the City office and got connected to the Highway Dept., which maintains it. A very nice lady did some look ups. Here's what she found.
All buried in the same plot (Section I, plot 126), meaning they're probably related.
Hargreaves Gill died/buried Feb. 13, 1901
Ann Gill died/buried Oct. 21, 1913 Wife of Hargreaves above(?)
William Gill Sr. died/buried June 30, 1932 His monument is pictured above.
John Gill died/buried May 7, 1936
Ada Gill died/buried Nov. 16, 1960 Her monument is picture above.
Jane Gill died/buried Feb. 11, 1966
This information is correct but preliminary. I'll call them back Monday after they've had a chance to do a thorough search. Nothing found today on William Jr. or Harry Gill. Perhaps they went south with brother Hargreaves?
Regards,
John
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England, YKS: SLATER of Ovenden and Halifax; DRURY of Darton, Mapplewell, Sheffield and Halifax; DOBSON of Thornton (near Bradford); NEVILL(E) of Wigan, Lancs and Darton; MEGSON of Dewsbury; GARSIDE of Woolley and West Bretton.
Scotland: HENDRY of Who-knows-where-shire and Massachusetts, USA; HOUSTON of Lesmahagow and Glasgow and Massachusetts, USA; DEMPSTER of Lesmahagow; MEIKLE of Ayrshire, Hamilton, and Glasgow; COCHRAN of Hamilton.
Paradise: EVE and ADAM, also in exile
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John,
Wonderful. I tried to find the cemetery phone number online and couldn't and now I know why.
Charlotte,
What a great lead here. Are you interested in all these Gills or just a particular one? There seem to be a lot. And I found some in the 1930 census in Greenville, SC. I did find a Harewen Gill as a lodger (could be a really bad Hargreaves translation) but it said he was born about 1898. Do keep in mind that census records often got things wrong. Let me know what else you need. Happy to help. I actually have a line that married a Gill: William Gill to be exact, but they were in Cohoes, Albany Co., NY. I am in contact with two of them now. It would be great to find a connection.
John,
I can't wait to find out what you find.
Kath
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Sligo: Davey (also Mayo), McCluskey, McNulty
Wexford and Staffordshire: Hayes, McClean
Galway and Staffordshire: Scott
Coventry: Wells, Collins, Palmer, Moody, Beck, Mickelwright, Husbands
Ireland: McNulty (Sligo), Kealy, Murphy (Carlow) Connolly, Gillen, Powell, Ryan, Moore, Martin
Davis from I don't know where originally
Stahl, Russia to England to USA
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maggie10
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Hi All,
Maggie here just checking in. John you have found important people here and I cannot wait for Charlotte to awaken from her Ausssie slumber and see the news  .
And what a nice lady to do those look-ups - how kind.
To explain why I am butting in, Hargreaves Gill born 1846 was brother of my great grandmother. However I will leave it for Charlotte to respond more fully here.
Regards,
Maggie
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ROSTHORN - Blackburn, Accrington 18/19C; TAYLOR - Accrington, Goodshaw, Edgworth 18/19C; HARGREAVES - Midgley, Southowram, Halifax; KIDD - Knaresborough, York; SIMONETT - Sheffield, Bradford, poss. French Huguenot; NICHOLSON and JARDINE - Tinwald, Dumfriesshire, ENTWISTLE - Edgworth; LOWE - Edgeworth; GILL - Accrington, Liverpool, Blackburn all 18/19C. ~~~~~~ Census info. Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk & www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk |
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charlotteCH
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Hullo John, Kath, Agnes, Maggie10,
Maggie... at last I am awake, coffeed, and online... and what a happy waking up to all these goodies.
John, what a wonderful lot of info and questions answered by that phone call- thank you so very much for that help. Maggie and I have been wondering where Hargreaves GILL Snr. b 1845 Lancashire had got to. He was in a census then died but we couldn't find a record for it or for his wife Ann. Now you have them- maybe that is the large GILL headstone behind William and Ada's- Wm and wife Ada were son/daughter-in-law if Hargreaves & Ann.
Kath, You ask about how many Gills we're are interested in- Hargreaves & Ann arrived in RI in 1891 with their 7 kids- aged c 18 downwards. Some of the kids scattered- at this point it was two sons who seem to have gone to SC- Greenville, Simpsonville, Myrtle Beach, Clio etc are the names of places I have so far found. The GILL daughters seem to have remained around Pawtucket and Providence RI. and married there.
Re that "Harewen" Gill b 1898 lodger in Greenville that you found- the birth date doesn't fit anything I know but it is possible it is one of ours with a bad transcription. Have you seen the original image of the doc?
Does it tell you who he was lodging with and his occupation? Forgive my questions coming so fast but my reaction is like yours- that the Harewen should be Hargreaves.
And Kath, when was your William GILL born, married etc ? We have an unaccounted for William Gill b 1907 in RI--- any possibility he's linked to yours? Wouldn't that be great.
Thank you all for this info- must put it into the data base and see where it takes things.
And Johnny, your US phone books are a thing all on their own... don't know how anyone manages to get buried in US with cemeteries so secretive about phone numbers. Thanks for tracking that down to local authorities and asking them .
Thanks again all of you,
charlotte
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HARGREAVES, HANSON, BAILEY, BURTON, HEWITT, JAGGER, LOCKWOOD, UTTLEY, MIDGLEY, RUDD, TAYLOR, HOLDEN, SHAW Halifax / Sowerby/ Southowram 18C+
GILL, Accrington, Blackburn, West Derby, Lancs, migrated USA 1891 to RI: GILL in SC: HOTCHKISS in RI: PELOQUIN in RI
HUMPHRIES, HILLIER, ALLEN, LYDBURY Nunney/Frome 18-19C
HUMPHRIES, BIGFORD, JOYCE, HEWITT, ROBINSON, McMULLEN, SUFFEL, CARNEY, MARRON, COMPTON, FREEMAN Ont. Canada 1830+
82nd Regt of Foot 1808-1825
1st WRY Militia 1780-1808
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Charlotte: Just noticed that the John Gill who died in Pawtucket May 7, 1936 had the middle initial H. Could that have been H. as in Harold? Helmut? Henry? Harcourt? Hmmm.
John
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England, YKS: SLATER of Ovenden and Halifax; DRURY of Darton, Mapplewell, Sheffield and Halifax; DOBSON of Thornton (near Bradford); NEVILL(E) of Wigan, Lancs and Darton; MEGSON of Dewsbury; GARSIDE of Woolley and West Bretton.
Scotland: HENDRY of Who-knows-where-shire and Massachusetts, USA; HOUSTON of Lesmahagow and Glasgow and Massachusetts, USA; DEMPSTER of Lesmahagow; MEIKLE of Ayrshire, Hamilton, and Glasgow; COCHRAN of Hamilton.
Paradise: EVE and ADAM, also in exile
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charlotteCH
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Hi again John,
Thanks for that bit of info about "H" being the middle initial. It will be John Hargreaves GILL but whether it is father or son is the question .The father, John Harggreaves GILL was b 1876 Lancashire. emigrated 1891. He's in 1930 census as at Church St Woonsocket RI. he had a son by the same name born in 1908 in RI. Both in 1930 census.
Great to use the family name of hargreaves as it picks them out but not having a birth date adds confusion.
Thanks for that added bit of info,
charlotte
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HARGREAVES, HANSON, BAILEY, BURTON, HEWITT, JAGGER, LOCKWOOD, UTTLEY, MIDGLEY, RUDD, TAYLOR, HOLDEN, SHAW Halifax / Sowerby/ Southowram 18C+
GILL, Accrington, Blackburn, West Derby, Lancs, migrated USA 1891 to RI: GILL in SC: HOTCHKISS in RI: PELOQUIN in RI
HUMPHRIES, HILLIER, ALLEN, LYDBURY Nunney/Frome 18-19C
HUMPHRIES, BIGFORD, JOYCE, HEWITT, ROBINSON, McMULLEN, SUFFEL, CARNEY, MARRON, COMPTON, FREEMAN Ont. Canada 1830+
82nd Regt of Foot 1808-1825
1st WRY Militia 1780-1808
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