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Topic: Hetty Pinfold - missing people on census entries? (Read 198 times)
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julie64
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Gt-gt-grandmother Elizabeth Nelson 1847- 1936
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Hi there
I have been tracing my family tree for a few years now, and have been able to find many people who appear to be 'missing' upon initial search by looking at alternative spellings etc. However, I cannot find a particular 6 year old girl who is not with the rest of the family on the 1891 census.
My question is does anyone know whether there were simple omissions made by census officials, for example, when transcribing to the folios ... or were they completely accurate regarding numbers of people in each household? Has anyone else had similar difficulty finding people?
Hetty Pinfold, born 1885 in Banbury to Thomas and Elizabeth Pinfold, is not with the family in 1891 (who live in Warwickshire) but she is with her sister in Abergavenny in 1901. I have tried a search of all girls named Hetty born around 1885 and cannot find her anywhere.
Is it more likely that she was actually living with the family and was simply left off the transcript - or will she be out there somewhere waiting for me to find her?!
I'd really appreciate any ideas.
Regards, Julie
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WHERE ARE YOU BEFORE 1851 TAMAR LITTLER?! Staffs (Audley) Shrops (Market Drayton) Lancs(Golborne, Ashton in Makerfield) Oxfordshire (Banbury, Neithrop, Gt Tew, Witney) Monmouthshire (Abergavenny) Lancs/Ireland: Armstrong Aspinall Billingham Burchall Burke Doyle Littler Wareing Ox: Brookes Nelson Pinfold Riley Staffs/Shrops/Cheshire: Beeston Bull Durber Gater Massey Walker Abergavenny: Cobner Williams Any census information in this post is Crown Copyright www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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julie64
RootsChat Senior
Posts: 328
Gt-gt-grandmother Elizabeth Nelson 1847- 1936
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Hi
I do have her birth certificate - she was registered as Hetty Florence Pinfold. Before I got the certificate I had searched for Henrietta, Hester etc, and since I've also tried Florence ... still no luck though.
Regards Julie
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WHERE ARE YOU BEFORE 1851 TAMAR LITTLER?! Staffs (Audley) Shrops (Market Drayton) Lancs(Golborne, Ashton in Makerfield) Oxfordshire (Banbury, Neithrop, Gt Tew, Witney) Monmouthshire (Abergavenny) Lancs/Ireland: Armstrong Aspinall Billingham Burchall Burke Doyle Littler Wareing Ox: Brookes Nelson Pinfold Riley Staffs/Shrops/Cheshire: Beeston Bull Durber Gater Massey Walker Abergavenny: Cobner Williams Any census information in this post is Crown Copyright www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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Valda
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The census enumerator handed out the schedules to each household. They filled them if they could - so at this point the information is only as good as that given by whoever filled in the schedule.
Census enumerator came round to collect the schedules and perhaps help people fill it in or correct it and with some households to try hard to get the schedule written in the first place.
Census enumerator goes home probably very tired.
Census enumerator copies laboriously each schedule (if he can read, and understand it - spelling must have been interesting) into the enumerator's book.
Both book and schedules are sent in, but all schedules pre 1911 were destroyed. The 1911 census is the first to have only schedules from households (I believe it is therefore somewhat interesting)!
Plenty of scope in all of this procedure for there to be errors and factual inaccuracies (the latter on purpose or accidentally).
Regards
Valda
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julie64
RootsChat Senior
Posts: 328
Gt-gt-grandmother Elizabeth Nelson 1847- 1936
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Thanks Valda
I have always assumed that Hetty was simply omitted at some point in the whole process - though it would be less of a surprise had this happened in some of my other family lines, but the Pinfolds in Oxfordshire were a middle class, educated family who I expect were less likely to make mistakes themselves on the schedules. Thanks for explaining the procedure though - it certainly seems like there was a likelihood that some people were lost along the way!
Regards, Julie
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WHERE ARE YOU BEFORE 1851 TAMAR LITTLER?! Staffs (Audley) Shrops (Market Drayton) Lancs(Golborne, Ashton in Makerfield) Oxfordshire (Banbury, Neithrop, Gt Tew, Witney) Monmouthshire (Abergavenny) Lancs/Ireland: Armstrong Aspinall Billingham Burchall Burke Doyle Littler Wareing Ox: Brookes Nelson Pinfold Riley Staffs/Shrops/Cheshire: Beeston Bull Durber Gater Massey Walker Abergavenny: Cobner Williams Any census information in this post is Crown Copyright www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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hepburn
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Hi Julie,
Just a thought ,I could'nt find my Grandma Jane Hetty, >:(I finally found her under Etty  ,Is it worth a try??
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julie64
RootsChat Senior
Posts: 328
Gt-gt-grandmother Elizabeth Nelson 1847- 1936
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Hi Oonagh
I've tried Etty, Ettie ... and even trawled through all girls born in Banbury in the years surrounding 1885 - quite a long list!! I think she either doesn't want to be found, or simply was left off the Pinfold family list by mistake somehow - which is very annoying!
Thanks everybody for your suggestions though - I will keep looking!
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WHERE ARE YOU BEFORE 1851 TAMAR LITTLER?! Staffs (Audley) Shrops (Market Drayton) Lancs(Golborne, Ashton in Makerfield) Oxfordshire (Banbury, Neithrop, Gt Tew, Witney) Monmouthshire (Abergavenny) Lancs/Ireland: Armstrong Aspinall Billingham Burchall Burke Doyle Littler Wareing Ox: Brookes Nelson Pinfold Riley Staffs/Shrops/Cheshire: Beeston Bull Durber Gater Massey Walker Abergavenny: Cobner Williams Any census information in this post is Crown Copyright www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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minersgranddaughter
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Could Hetty have been in hospital / at a boarding school / abroad with a relative?
It seems unlikely the family just forgot to write her on the form.
Have you been able to see the original census pages - I've found that where pages are missing the numbers allocated to each property 'jump' indicating a gap.
Best of luck
Susan
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This information is Crown Copyright, from " http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk" Sproston/Sproson/Sprowson - anywhere Wilcox - Burslem Degg - Staffordshire Bradley - Londonderry, Aston McGovern - Newcastle, Staffs |
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julie64
RootsChat Senior
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Gt-gt-grandmother Elizabeth Nelson 1847- 1936
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Hi Susan and Andrea
As you've seen - she simply does not appear in the family list, and because she was only aged 6 at the time, I doubt she was away at school or abroad. I have checked grandparents and some aunts - but I will go and do a more thorough search. Thanks for the suggestions.
Regards, Julie
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WHERE ARE YOU BEFORE 1851 TAMAR LITTLER?! Staffs (Audley) Shrops (Market Drayton) Lancs(Golborne, Ashton in Makerfield) Oxfordshire (Banbury, Neithrop, Gt Tew, Witney) Monmouthshire (Abergavenny) Lancs/Ireland: Armstrong Aspinall Billingham Burchall Burke Doyle Littler Wareing Ox: Brookes Nelson Pinfold Riley Staffs/Shrops/Cheshire: Beeston Bull Durber Gater Massey Walker Abergavenny: Cobner Williams Any census information in this post is Crown Copyright www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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