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aspin
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Elonor Munro
Was born 1841 at Ardlaw she was the daughter of William Munro and Mary MacDonald
She married William Watson at Pitsligo Free church of Scotland on 18.6.1859
He was the son of William Watson and Elizabeth Shepherd born 1836 at Kirktown of St Furgus
On the marriage certificate both mothers are deceased
Can anyone help me go further with the parents of William and Elonor I have their family
Elizabeth
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McKenzie,Helmsdale.,Mackay's,Gordon's,Polsons,Sutherland's,Loth Watson ,Munro,Pitsligo.Black. Harle ,South Shields.Black,and Short East Hollywell.Northumberland Gair, Amble,Douglas,Amble,Mitchell ,Fettercairns,Lyall, Brechin .Mearns ,Scotland.Thompson's ,Spittal.family of Maghie,Young .Raey Cumberland and Newcastle & Glasgow .Gilroy, Northumberland.and Starks Berwick.Skeen's Tweedmouth.Gregsons Northumberland & America. Andrew farmer Turnbull Berwick & Pode' and Black of Hull.Lounton Tweedmouth
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I was logged into Google looking for Old Churches such as Loth in West Helmsdale and then I logged in St Furgus
and I saw Munro and Watson I thought I had found something of interest to me when I logged into it the above came through can anyone explain this Elizabeth 
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McKenzie,Helmsdale.,Mackay's,Gordon's,Polsons,Sutherland's,Loth Watson ,Munro,Pitsligo.Black. Harle ,South Shields.Black,and Short East Hollywell.Northumberland Gair, Amble,Douglas,Amble,Mitchell ,Fettercairns,Lyall, Brechin .Mearns ,Scotland.Thompson's ,Spittal.family of Maghie,Young .Raey Cumberland and Newcastle & Glasgow .Gilroy, Northumberland.and Starks Berwick.Skeen's Tweedmouth.Gregsons Northumberland & America. Andrew farmer Turnbull Berwick & Pode' and Black of Hull.Lounton Tweedmouth
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Joe
Thanks that is interesting
but William and Elonor were married June 1859 and their daughter (my grt grandmother ) was born October 1859 sooooooooooo they had to get married or maybe they made babies quicker in Scotland in those days ha ha 
they are in The Family Search and I have their marriage certificates
Elizabeth
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McKenzie,Helmsdale.,Mackay's,Gordon's,Polsons,Sutherland's,Loth Watson ,Munro,Pitsligo.Black. Harle ,South Shields.Black,and Short East Hollywell.Northumberland Gair, Amble,Douglas,Amble,Mitchell ,Fettercairns,Lyall, Brechin .Mearns ,Scotland.Thompson's ,Spittal.family of Maghie,Young .Raey Cumberland and Newcastle & Glasgow .Gilroy, Northumberland.and Starks Berwick.Skeen's Tweedmouth.Gregsons Northumberland & America. Andrew farmer Turnbull Berwick & Pode' and Black of Hull.Lounton Tweedmouth
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Yes they were and I know they had quite a big family but I cannot find out any more I was wanting William and Elonors parent
What I like about the Scottish certificates it gives you the mothers name and maiden name
Who knows I might find them some day
Elizabeth
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Hi Elizabeth
Have you checked for the deaths of the parents 1855 to 1859? If they are there you'll be able to go back to their parents via the info on their death certs.
It would be sad if they had died befor 1855 
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Gadget
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Hi There,
I agree with Joeybhoy..
I feel that the 1861c he found is your family.....
Eleanor would have named her first child William..(even though I can't find the birth)
They then had your
Isabella Birnie Watson 9/9/1859.
Alexander Watson 14/8/1861
James Watson 19/4/1864
Munro Watson 26/4/1866
Walter McDonald Watson1/3/1869
Charles Trail Watson 9/6/1871
Eleanor Mary Barclay Watson 9/6/1871
Eleanor Munro Watson 18/9/1872
All born Pitslego.
So the first child would have been Wlliam and I am surprised there isn't a Mary..
If William and Eleanor were living together when baby William was born it is the same as being married...
He isn't showing up as an illegitimate child. ( Mind you he could be)
Now to get back to Eleanor Munro..
I hope you will consider what I have found.
In the 1851c living at Pittendrum Pitslego is a big family of McDonalds.
father is Alexander and the mother is Barbara.
with them are a lot of McDonald children also is a daughter Eleanora Munro. 9yrs old. (try freecen)
In the 1841c living at the same farm are the same family except that the mother is Margaret....so margaret must die and Alexander marrys barbara.
In the household is their daughter Mary 15yrs old. also William Munro labourer aged 15yrs.
I feel that these two 15yr old had a love child called Eleanora Munro....and that Mary may have died in child birth or a little later....and that the grandparents have taken the child as their own.....
William would have moved on....
You must remember that new religions were happening around this time and church records are missing...
Regards,
Jo 
UPDATE>>>>>>>>
I think that there is an error in the 1841c for William McDonalds wife.....she should be Barbara like the 1851c.
If you put this batch number in familysearch (C111554) you will see all the children born to Alexander McDonald and Barbara Avens.....including Mary 9/2/1823.
Also in the 1851c Eleanora is supose to have been born Fraserburgh....I had a look at the hugh wallace site and the result was christenings/births are from 1855-1875 and the only other is 1749 to 175? so if Eleanora was in those parish records then she won't show up online.....
but you can order the film at the mormons they have all the records on film....for Fraserburgh..
UPDATE>>>>>>>>>>>>
I have found at first............I thought all that is above should be dismissed ....for I found a posting at
http://www.rosehearty.co.uk/main/guestbook/juldec01.htm
if you search for a posting by Greame Barclay.....it says that Mary McDonald and Peter Barclay had childen at "Red House" Pittendrum....Mary being the Mary above....daughter of Alexander( so I thought oh dear i have made a big mistake) But Now I don't think there is any error....
Mary McDonald probably had baby Eleanora and her parents Alexander and Barbara took her on....as their own..
Mary McDonald married Peter Barclay in 1845, and had a number of children.....In 1861 c Mary has died and Peter has a new wife Jean Park....
So when Elenor married in 1859 she says her father is William Munro and her mother was mary McDonald deceased.
She just didn't bother to mention that she was Mary Barclay maiden name McDonald ..
I can't seem to get into Scotlandspeople at the moment to see if Mary died in 1855 or there abouts....
her last child was William 1854...so you might be very lucky and that she died in 1855 as Mary Barclay /Mcdonald.
Also note that Eleanor Munro and William Watson had a daughter called Eleanor Mary Barclay Watson...
Hope you can follow all this.
Jo
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Thank you for this Kenjo
You have the right family born to William and Elonor I picked them up when I first started
I wrote to Edinburgh for Elonor's birth certificate but they had no record there
I got the marriage from them on it is
18th June 1859
William 23 (Kirktown of St Fergus )is a farmservant his father also William a Crofter his mother Elizabeth Shepherd deceased
Elonor Munro or Monro 18 ( of Ardlaw Pitsligo ) Domestic servant her father William Munro Shoemaker mother Mary McDonald Deceased
So I may have another family to search for
even the witnesses to the marriage don't give me any help they are a John Smith and George Chessor
Now then Kenjo
you have Shand in your file I see
Isabella Birnie Watson married Adam McKenzie of (Loth West Helmsdale )
they sailed to New Zealand in Sept 1877
they had a daughter Jessie MacKay Mackenzie born 1881
note our spelling of McKenzie has an A in it while in New Zealand
Jessie married Alexander Shand (26) on 27 .10 .1906
I remember him he was Scottish
They had one daughter Isabella who married a Joseph Brown they had no family
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Forgot to put where Jessie and Alex were married
St Mattews Parish Church Newcastle Upon Tyne England
Alex was a Cooper and his father was a Mason
At the time of the marriage both were living at 32, Westmoorland Terrace Newcastle
Elizabeth
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Hi Elizabeth,
Not sure about your Shand, I have alot of loose ends in my line.
About William Munro....lets scrape the William Munro at the McDonald Farm.
This could be he right one.
1851c
Kirk Hill, Tyrie.
William Rankin
Rachel Rankin
Elizabeth Scott
Georgina Gellen
William Munro 27yrs Journeyman Shoemaker, born Tain, Ross and Cromarty.
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In the 1841c Mary would have been 18yrs old not 15yrs as she said......( 1841c they could round off their age)
the other thing is in favour of my findings.....re...Eleanora Munro...is that there is no other El* Munro (soundex). on freecen in the 1851c.... Aberdeen
So if you start your search with the 1851c for El* munro.
you will find the same McDonald family...
JO
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Hi Darling, 
Hope you are very well..... 
Aren't the smilies gorgeous again this festive season.. 
I just thought I would dip my toe into RC again....and drive poor Elizabeth crazy with my findings....
I am having a ball, trying to help her with this little task..
Jo
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Crazy I am I have read this a few times to try to digest it all
Even when I was baking this afternoon I was thinking about these two little kids at 15 
Then I thought the trend is back (What am I thinking of )
They are leaving school here to have babies
Elizabeth
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Hi Elizabeth,
Thanks to gadget...........she could get onto SPeople..and do a quick search for when Mary Barclay/ McDonald died and it was 1858....so that would fit ( I was hoping that it was 1855 soo that her children would be listed).... what would be gained by the 1858 death is where she was buried....
This morning I have been able to log onto SP and I bought the death Cert for your Eleanor Munro/Watson......do you have it.....?
It wasn't any help to me sadly..it only said her mother was Mary McDonald , domestic servant..so at this stage...all I found is just a theory....which could easily be very wrong.....
In my own tree I have strange things like this and some certificates are amazing...I have one that like your Eleanor....marrying....
The details were very clear ...under mothers name .she said she was adopted by Christen and her mother was Annie Shand formally Wallace.
On others I have found no clues in the certificates, even though from other sources there is another tale to be told.
Jo
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