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Re: Graves/symbols/meanings
« Reply #15 on: Thursday 21 December 06 13:40 GMT (UK) »

That's an interesting site ... thanks !

What do people think about this:-  in your opinion, have you found that ag lab ancestors from the 1800 - 1860 or so times, dont have graves that you can locate (they may just have been marked with a long gone wooden cross) but the more recent ones are findable (so I'm told ... never found any of mine !)   Sad Sad
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Re: Graves/symbols/meanings
« Reply #16 on: Thursday 21 December 06 14:45 GMT (UK) »

Lovely pictures - thanks for posting them. They're so colourful. I've not noticed any coloured ones before. Perhaps they were all painted originally?

Through the thirteenth to the fifteenth centuries most of the effigies were carved in stone, usually Caen stone or Alabaster. Early effigies were usually coated with gesso (a mixture of size and whiting) and painted. Remember that in the late middle ages the churches, themselves, blazed with brilliantly painted stone and woodwork. Even the smallest church was liberally decorated with wall paintings.
If the effigies were on a tomb chest then the bodies should be inside however the term 'tomb' is sometimes used to describe various forms of monument which are not necessarily erected over the plce of intrnment.
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Re: Graves/symbols/meanings
« Reply #17 on: Thursday 21 December 06 23:11 GMT (UK) »

Yes Stan, I do believe there was lots of colour used then.

I read on one of the sites I posted earlier, that outside the bodies were buried under the ground as usual and the tomb built above ground but I always wondered about the ones inside churches. Interesting - thanks.

Lydart - re your question. I'm in Australia - my ancestors came here in the mid 1800's. Only found a few graves and no trace of the oldest one c. 1889. I guess it would depend on quality of materials as to how long they last, even taking into account pollution etc?
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Re: Graves/symbols/meanings
« Reply #18 on: Friday 22 December 06 07:01 GMT (UK) »

Here's another topic on this theme:

Topic: Spooky Gravestone Markings
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,171301.0.html

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Re: Graves/symbols/meanings
« Reply #19 on: Friday 22 December 06 07:24 GMT (UK) »

Thanks for that Bob.
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Re: Graves/symbols/meanings
« Reply #20 on: Saturday 23 December 06 11:23 GMT (UK) »

Hi Ruskie,

(just in case you haven't had enough already  Grin )

As it's a common question, I've collected some topics about gravestone markings, etc, here

Topic: RootsChat Topics: Graveyards, Gravestones, Gravestone Symbols, etc.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,203252.0.html

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Re: Graves/symbols/meanings
« Reply #21 on: Saturday 23 December 06 11:38 GMT (UK) »

Thanks for the afternoon's reading matter Bob !

And a happy Christmas to you and yours too !
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Re: Graves/symbols/meanings
« Reply #22 on: Saturday 23 December 06 11:59 GMT (UK) »

Thanks for the additional information Bob. I'm going to check that out now ... still looking for dogs at the feet!
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Re: Graves/symbols/meanings
« Reply #23 on: Saturday 23 December 06 12:16 GMT (UK) »

I've been googling dogs on medieval tombs ... two suggestions I've found so far suggest the dog is a symbol of:
a)   fidelity in marriage  ...   or ...
b)   the dog's role is to accompany the dead in eternity, like the angels that also sometimes appear with tomb effigies

Still Googling !
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Re: Graves/symbols/meanings
« Reply #24 on: Saturday 23 December 06 12:19 GMT (UK) »

This may be one of the sites Bob suggested ... keeping his until later for a good read ... but try this one ...

http://www.darktreasures.com/Graveyards/SymbolsLanguageofTombs.htm
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Re: Graves/symbols/meanings
« Reply #25 on: Saturday 23 December 06 12:23 GMT (UK) »

Thats great, thanks Lydart - it's going into my favourites! And a mention of dogs!!!!!
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