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Topic: WHO DO YOU THINK YOU ARE? (Episode 6) (Read 762 times)
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trystan
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The sixth episode of the BBC's celebrity Family History series
- 9pm Tuesday 16th November 2004 on BBC2 in the UK (& Europe for Digital Free to Air viewers)
WHO DO YOU THINK YOU ARE?
"Family Headlines
Moira Stuart's fascination with her heritage takes her on a journey of discovery - from the familiar surroundings of London to the tropics of the Caribbean, on Tuesday 16th November BBC2." http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/familyhistory/
This series has been well worth watching, and at over half way through the series, if you've missed it so far, you may find it of interest. Also if you've not used your interactive button before (the red one), then give your thumb a bit of a treat (Sky Digital and Freeview viewers & some Cable areas) - the interactive bit gives you tips on conducting your own research.
| Then on Wednesday 17th November at 8.30pm |
"Family Ties" on BBC4 (the TV channel available for free on Freeview, or on Sky Digital/Cable)
"The Mother of Pearl:
Following the death of Winifred O'Donnell, relatives found out that she had left her first family. Allison, a grandaughter from her second marriage, pieces together the story.."
BBC4 Website
So will you be keeping us company and joining us yet again on the ever squashed and comfier RootsChat sofa and watching Who Do You Think You Are?
See comments on the previous programmes here:
Episode 5:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=18946.0
Episode 4:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=17613.0
Episode 3:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=16836.0
Episode 2:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=15727.0
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=15673.0
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=14764.0
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moscan
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The next generation
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I loved it too... a marvellous insight into her varied history - doesn't it show how education changed her family...
Mo
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All census look up transcriptions are Crown Copyright
Researching: - Freear, Walker, Aston, Scanlan, Courtney, Lowth, O’Sulivan, McDonnell, Condon, McMahon, McKay, Brock, Gourlay, Busby
Locations: - March in Cambridgeshire, Banbury in Oxfordshire, Mileham in Norfolk, Worcester, Evesham, Claines in Worcestershire, Birmingham. Dublin, Cork, Fermanagh in Ireland. Glasgow, Stirling in Scotland
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Hackstaple
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I felt Moira let go a little quickly when a clue became sticky. I am a little surprised that she did not know the origins of the surnames adopted by emancipated slaves. I was also a little surprised when she discovered with surprise that she might have a mixed race heritage. I would have thought that an educated woman of Caribbean origin would have done some reading into the history of the area.
The narrator or whoever wrote his script showed ignorance in referring to the emancipation of slaves in "the mid-19th century". Elementary checking would have shown that date to be too late to match reality. The West and the Arab world have nothing to be proud of about slavery but comment on it should be based on fact. Britain was in the absolute forefront of the abolition of slavery and the enforcement of that ban was, for many years, done only by Britain and her Navy.
All that apart it was a good human interest story but not more than that.
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Southern or Southan [Hereford , Monmouthshire & Glos], Jenkins, Meredith and Morgan [Monmouthshire and Glos.], Murrill, Damary, Damry, Ray, Lawrence [all Middx. & London], Nethway from Kenn or Yatton. Also Riley and Lyons in South Africa and Riley from St. Helena. Any census information included in this post is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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GreySquirrel
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I enjoyed the show too.
The only disappointing point for me was the readiness with which the programme leapt to accept as fact the (unfounded or at least un-evidenced -- and very probably undocumentable either way) suggestion that the great great grandfather was the illegitimate child of the Antiguan planter. This might make for better TV and a more dramatic story but was not based on proof of any sort -- and proof has to be the foundation of any reliable genealogy (or else I'm a descendant of the queen of Sheba).
The programme also exported early C21th assumptions back into the early C19th. In the era before universal state education, to become a teacher did not usually involve formal courses and qualifications. When the threshold of ignorance was so low, to become a teacher one did not have to rise so very much higher above it. I know this from my own family history, where in the late Victorian era some of my kin in their late teens, without any but the most elementary education, became "pupil-teachers" and later school masters and mistresses. I see no reason to assume that, decades earlier and in the Caribbean, the gt gt gf in the programme had any more structured training to become a teacher (which seemed to be the presumption in the programme).
Nonetheless, it's great Tuesday night viewing.
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Kazza
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Good point GreySquirrel.
And this is aimed at new Family Historians, it is teaching bad habits, this is not the first time they have leapt to conclusions based on the flimsiest of information. 
As a piece of entertainment it works, but for an experienced researcher it is annoying, and for a new one it is mis-leading. All-in-all I continue to be disappointed with this series, whilst still enjoying the human-interest stories. 
Kazza.
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Welsh Jen
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Thoroughly enjoyed this one!  My freeview started acting up when trying to watch the digital extras so I gave up in the end! 
I didn't like the way they didn't coroborate the facts thought this time around. Did she really know if her Grandfather worked at that TB Sanitorium? Did she really know if the name Christian was adopted from their slave owners, or if they were interbred?
These aspects of the programme I would have loved to see. But overall enjoyed very much! 
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Little Nell
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I just watched the episode of Family Ties on BBC4 about the lady who married bigamously. It was very good. There was a lot of hard work done by the family members involved plus their professional researchers. While a lot of the detail of the work had to be glossed over due to time constraints, the lengths to which they went to discover this lady's hidden first marriage and other family was incredible. That one would be worth watching again if they ever repeat it - recommended.
Nell
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FAMILY TIES (BBC4)
Just as I sat down to watch this, the Cream of Sine man turned up (thats Scene of Crime), had a suspected burglary attempt, so missed the program! grrh! Can't stop calling him that now!!! just caught the end of show,
Newbie
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Hackstaple
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Superb BBC half hour show on tonight about Roots. A woman tracing her grandmother who was a bolter and made a bigamous marriage. Some real research being done and a great big family reunion of grandchildren of the two "marriages". This was a successor to the pathetic Longford family thing and far more technically interesting than Who etc..
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Southern or Southan [Hereford , Monmouthshire & Glos], Jenkins, Meredith and Morgan [Monmouthshire and Glos.], Murrill, Damary, Damry, Ray, Lawrence [all Middx. & London], Nethway from Kenn or Yatton. Also Riley and Lyons in South Africa and Riley from St. Helena. Any census information included in this post is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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GenealogyPrinters
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Although they have not shown many of them, we printed the celebrities family trees for the series.
None of the celebrities did any research, it was all done for them, months before the programs were made, by a team of genealogists.
Moira Stuart's tree is only documented back to her maternal Gt. Gt. Granfather who was born before 1848, the rest of her ancestors before him was guess work by the research team.
Kind regards
Ron
www.genealogyprinters.com
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) but I believe that they have given the wrong impression about the work necessary in genealogy and they are very guilty of making presumptions on screen without producing the evidence for that .... it may well be that they have the evidence but it simply does not make "good television" and so is not shown.
Missed it, I completely forgot it was on. FAMILY TIES That is 