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Watson 1841/1851 problem. Mining accident?
« on: Friday 29 December 06 19:13 GMT (UK) »

Hi and merry Christmas all, hoping someone may be able to help with a problem of mine.  I can find my ggggrandad on the 1841 census in the township of East Rainton at North pit. With his mother Mary Watson 40 years old and 7 brothers and sisters Richard 21 coalminer, dorothy 15,John 15 (coalminer) Sarah 12 William (my ggggrandad 11 and a coalminer!!!!!) James 9 and Hannah 5 and Robert 2. There is no father listed but Mary is classed as Ind. I presume this means Independant means, but not sure what this is.
In the 1851 census I can't find Mary at all, mostly because I don't know where she was born or her maiden name. I don't know the fathers name (but it could be John) but need to find out what happened to him or whether he had a mining accident or was just away on census night.
Is it usual for an 11 year old to be down the mines at 11? Also the oldest children's birth place is not listed so I am struggling to find them in the 1851 census. The younger ones where all born at Houghton le spring.
I have found Sarah and Hannah as domestic servants aged 23 and 15 in 1851 cencus in Elvet Durham.
Can anyone help me trace mother Mary's beginning or especially what happened to the father.
Thanks all once again.
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Re: Watson 1841/1851 problem. Mining accident?
« Reply #1 on: Friday 29 December 06 21:07 GMT (UK) »

Hi there

I'm assuming you have access to the 1851 census.  Have a look at this entry HO107/2393 Folio 502 Page 37.  It is a very bad original but the transcription is:

Mary Wattson 47, b Yorkshire
John Wattson 26, b Yorkshire, Coal Miner
Robert Wattson 11, b Colliery Row Durham

On the original the address looks like North Pit, East Rainton as your 1841 entry.

Will try to decipher it but am keen to have your opinion.

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Re: Watson 1841/1851 problem. Mining accident?
« Reply #2 on: Friday 29 December 06 21:24 GMT (UK) »

In 1851 there is a William Watson aged 22, Coal Miner, lodging at Whitewell House, Houghton le Spring.  HO107/2391 Folio 398 Page 17

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Re: Watson 1841/1851 problem. Mining accident?
« Reply #3 on: Friday 29 December 06 21:41 GMT (UK) »

Hi

On 1841 Census Mary & first 3 children Richard, Dorothy & John are not natives of Durham.

1851 Census entry Sheila refers to has Mary Wattson born in Upleatham, Yorkshire.

From the IGI John Watson = Mary Burrow M 3 Nov 1819, Upleatham
with the following children Richard Watson, C 16 Oct 1820
& Dorothy C 10 Aug 1823 both Upleatham

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Re: Watson 1841/1851 problem. Mining accident?
« Reply #4 on: Friday 29 December 06 21:46 GMT (UK) »

Sheila, Thank you, I knew someone would be able to help I was so certain that Watson could not be spelt any other way that I didn't look for other spellings, thank you and god bless. I'm sure it's them.
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Re: Watson 1841/1851 problem. Mining accident?
« Reply #5 on: Friday 29 December 06 21:50 GMT (UK) »

and thank you Soulby Bill another jem of information. Wow! you are all wonderful!
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Re: Watson 1841/1851 problem. Mining accident?
« Reply #6 on: Friday 29 December 06 21:53 GMT (UK) »

I think this is Mary in 1861.

RG9/3751 Folio 71 Page 35
48 Australia Row, Seaham

Mary Watson 62, Sailor or Tailor's Widow, b Marske Yorkshire
Robert 21, Stoker at Colliery, b Colliery Row, Durham

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Re: Watson 1841/1851 problem. Mining accident?
« Reply #7 on: Friday 29 December 06 22:06 GMT (UK) »

Yes, I think you are right, so hubby wasn't a coalminer at all but a sailor maybe, could explain the long absences but not why they lived on top of a pit?? On the 1851 census there seems to be a John smart living with them and he is listed as an "inmate" any ideas what this means??? thanks once again.
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Re: Watson 1841/1851 problem. Mining accident?
« Reply #8 on: Friday 29 December 06 22:14 GMT (UK) »

Hi Sarah

John Smart has the occupation of Coal Miner so I would be inclined to think he was a lodger.

Inmates are usually from the workhouse or hospital.

Best regards ... Sheila
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Re: Watson 1841/1851 problem. Mining accident?
« Reply #9 on: Friday 29 December 06 22:40 GMT (UK) »

Found the missing John Watson C 6 Feb 1825, Upleatham

Upleatham seems to have had a fairly healthy Watson population late 1700`s
try using this link to view them

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~hughwallis/IGIBatchNumbers/CountyYorkshire_(T-Z).htm#PageTitle

Had a look at 1861 Census my vote goes to Tailors Widow

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Re: Watson 1841/1851 problem. Mining accident?
« Reply #10 on: Friday 29 December 06 23:27 GMT (UK) »

yes, would have to agree with Tailor, doesn't explain why Mary wasn't listed as a widow in 1841 or 1851 census yet he is not around for these. Must have died I guess between 1839 and 1841, unless travelling away, any clues as to where to start looking for his death?or  where he may have travelled to, I guess he was probably born around upleatham, given rest of family connections. Thank you both for all your help
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Re: Watson 1841/1851 problem. Mining accident?
« Reply #11 on: Saturday 30 December 06 09:09 GMT (UK) »

Sarah,

Chold coal miners...

In 1862 in the New Hartley pit disaster ( near Seaton Delaval) two 10 yr olds, two 11 yr olds and eleven 12 yr olds lost their lives on the same day.( and many 13 & 14 yrs olds, out of a total of 204).

So in that era young boys working in coal pits was the norm.

Additionally, the Times ( London) in 1842 was dealing with an social topic, the issue of girls and women going bare-breasted while working in coal mines.

Census 1841 did not record family relationships or marital status.

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Re: Watson 1841/1851 problem. Mining accident?
« Reply #12 on: Saturday 30 December 06 09:42 GMT (UK) »

Oops... the first line of my previous post should have read

" Children coal miners"

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Re: Watson 1841/1851 problem. Mining accident?
« Reply #13 on: Saturday 30 December 06 15:03 GMT (UK) »

Sarah,

Chold coal miners...

In 1862 in the New Hartley pit disaster ( near Seaton Delaval) two 10 yr olds, two 11 yr olds and eleven 12 yr olds lost their lives on the same day.( and many 13 & 14 yrs olds, out of a total of 204).

So in that era young boys working in coal pits was the norm.

Additionally, the Times ( London) in 1842 was dealing with an social topic, the issue of girls and women going bare-breasted while working in coal mines.

Census 1841 did not record family relationships or marital status.

Michael Dixon

By the Mines Regulation Acts of 1842, the employment of boys under 10, and women and girls, within any mine or colliery, was absolutely forbidden, The employment of boys under 12 was prohibited by the 1887 Coal Mines Regulaion Act.
Under the 1900 Mines Regulation Act no boy under the age of 13 could be employed below ground.
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Re: Watson 1841/1851 problem. Mining accident?
« Reply #14 on: Saturday 30 December 06 20:52 GMT (UK) »

The difficulty was that from 1842 there was only one mines inspector for the whole of Northumberland & Durham and, I believe Cumbria, to enforce mining legislation.  It is clear that the amount of time that he could devote to any one pit was extremely limited.  For a period of time explosions and other accidents were not recorded unless the number of fatalities was five or more.  Thus the number of recorded fatalities for mining accidents for this period of time are not correct.

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