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chalfontcrew
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RYAN look up Hunts militia and 1871 census
« on: Monday 01 January 07 11:30 GMT (UK) »

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Can anyone help me I have Michael A Ryan who was baptized in Waterford City Ireland in 1863 on the 1881 census he is listed as age 49 a Colour Sergeant with The Hunts Militia, living in Barracks with wife Rosetta and children Fanny, Agnes, Clara, Bertha and Ambrose. By the 1891 Census he was living in Saffron Walden as a 59 year of army pensioner and in 1901 he was also there but aged 60. I have also found his burial on the Saffron Walden cemetery site in 1910 aged 78.
I searched freeBMD and found his marriage in 1872 in St Oalve London, because of Michaels varying ages I would like to find him on the 1871 census and would also like to know if there are any on line sites were I can find out abut his military career.
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Re: RYAN look up Hunts militia and 1871 census
« Reply #1 on: Monday 01 January 07 11:53 GMT (UK) »

I can't see him in 1871 but his age in 1901 is quite clearly 69, not 60, so his census ages are in fact unusually consistent!

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Re: RYAN look up Hunts militia and 1871 census
« Reply #2 on: Monday 01 January 07 12:05 GMT (UK) »

Hi David

Thanks for that I have double checked the 1901 census site and they have it transcribed as 60, so now at least I know that the Michael on the 1881,1891,1901 census and death entries are the same person, but is he the same as the Michael baptised in 1863 I think may be not?

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Re: RYAN look up Hunts militia and 1871 census
« Reply #3 on: Monday 01 January 07 12:28 GMT (UK) »

I presume 11 year old Fanny on the 1881 census was Rosetta's child?

Births Mar 1870
Pitstow Frances Maud Camberwell 1d 713

and therefore Michael was unmarried in 1871? You would need to check this against his marriage in 1872 - that he was a bachelor and not a widower and what his occupation was on marriage. If he was a colour sergeant in the militia in 1881 and born in Ireland you would expect him to have transfered at some point from the regular army. There are two unmarried Michael Ryans born Ireland of about the right age (birth circa 1832) serving in the army in England on census night 1871 (given that the army is often somewhat vague about soldiers' ages. Michael if he was a serving soldier on census night 1871 could of course have been out of the country.

The only way to really know where Michael was in 1871 is to track his military career through the militia and regular army records at The National Archives. You or a researcher have to do it in person. You can't access thenm online.

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Re: RYAN look up Hunts militia and 1871 census
« Reply #4 on: Monday 01 January 07 12:40 GMT (UK) »

Hi Valda,

Thanks for that Pitstow was indeed Rosetta's maiden name. Thanks also for the info regarding Michael's military career, I think I shall have to pursue that line to find out more.

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Re: RYAN look up Hunts militia and 1871 census
« Reply #5 on: Monday 01 January 07 15:12 GMT (UK) »

Hi Caz

Not sure if you have Rosetta in 1871, but here they are anyway:
RG10 1708 folio 134A
Castle St, Saffron Walden
Nathan S? Pitstow head married 44 malt maker (journeyman) b Saffron Walden (hereinafter "SW")
Selina Pitstow wife 43 malt maker (Journeyman) born SW
Rosetta Pitstow dau unmarr 22 Milliner & dressmaker (mistress) b SW
Frederick Pitstow son unm 20 Malt maker journeyman b SW
Selina Pitstow dau 15 domestic servant b SW
Priscilla Pitstow dau dom servant b SW
Ernest Pitstow son 10 scholar b SW
Elizabeth Pitstow dau 8 scholar b SW
Alice Pitstow dau 6 scholar b SW
Herbert Pitstow son 3 scholar b SW
Frances Pitstow grand daughter 1 b Bermondsey Surrey
Annie Pitstow dau 10mths b SW

Strange that Frances was born in Bermondsey in early 1870, went back to Saffron Walden with her mother for the 1871 census and then her mother married the following year in St Olave Southwark which adjoins Bermondsey. I wonder if Michael might have been her father?

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Re: RYAN look up Hunts militia and 1871 census
« Reply #6 on: Monday 01 January 07 15:58 GMT (UK) »

Frances married as a Ryan

Marriages Dec 1899
Ryan Frances Maud Saffron W 4a 1452
Rush Harry William Saffron W 4a 1452

She was in Eye on the 1901 census with visitor Herbert E Ryan aged 15 born Chesterford Essex, Frances' youngest brother.

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Re: RYAN look up Hunts militia and 1871 census
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 02 January 07 15:30 GMT (UK) »

Hi David & Valda

Thanks to both of you for the data you posted no I didn't have the 1871 for Rosetta, now i just need to find Michael.

The marriage record that you found Valda makes it look as through Michael was Fanny Maud's father.

I now have them all on the 1901 except Fanny's sister Bertha.

Thanks again guys
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Re: RYAN look up Hunts militia and 1871 census
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 02 January 07 16:08 GMT (UK) »

The marriage record just shows that she was known by the surname Ryan. Many children were informally adopted (no official adoption process until 1927) by their stepfathers and known by their surnames. Whether she was or wasn't Michael's child may be difficult to tell, as her birth certificate may very well not have a father's name. She may have been brought up to think Michael was her real father whether he was or wasn't. I doubt that her mother would have been too anxious in later years, to drag up any past history that would slight her or her daughter's background.

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