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Re: Why has the Rootschat footer become a header!!?
« Reply #15 on: Thursday 04 January 07 15:07 GMT (UK) »

Hi Downside, there is no gif for rootschat, the code added by rootschat.net to the bottom of every web page on the site is:

<!-- RootsChat.com footer -->
<p>&nbsp;
<table border="0" align="center" cellSpacing="0" cellPadding="1" bgColor="#999999">
  <tr>
    <td>
    <table cellSpacing="0" cellPadding="1" width="100%" border="0">
      <tr>
        <td align="right" bgColor="#ffffff"><div style="FONT: 9px geneva, verdana, arial, sans-serif; COLOR: #999999"> &nbsp; &nbsp; Local and Family History Webspace donated by:  &nbsp; &nbsp; </div></td>
        <td noWrap align="right" bgColor="#999999"><div style="FONT: 9px geneva, verdana, arial, sans-serif; COLOR: #ffffff"> &nbsp; &nbsp; <a style="color: #ffffff; text-decoration: none" href="http://www.ROOTSchat.com">www.RootsChat.com</a> &nbsp; &nbsp; </div></td>
      </tr>
    </table>
    </td>
  </tr>
</table><!-- /RootsChat.com footer -->
</BODY></HTML>

Except of course, </BODY></HTML> are already there or should be but ain't in Keith's case.
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Re: Why has the Rootschat footer become a header!!?
« Reply #16 on: Thursday 04 January 07 15:08 GMT (UK) »

I think falcybe has the answer. I don't think the css file will be at fault as the RootsChat footer is added, regardless of what you write.

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Seems strange to me that all have the following line in:
<BODY ONLOAD="javascript:init('Your Family History Site (surname_index.htm)');">

Or similar
Which causes an "error on page" message to be displayed at the bottom - and when I delete the whole line, no message appears and nothing seems to alter - so why have the line in - in the first place?!

my guess is that this is the script that adds the RootsChat footer at the bottom of every page.

So as long as the page is on order, the heading should be added before the final
</body>
</html>  tags.

So if the page was corrupted, then the script probably couldn't find it's "position" and simply added it at the bottom of the file, but because the </body> </html> tags weren't there, the browser then displayed the footer lines first, before showing the rest of the page.

Like I said, I'm guessing, based on falcybe's reply and the results of some of my mistakes.

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Re: Why has the Rootschat footer become a header!!?
« Reply #17 on: Thursday 04 January 07 15:23 GMT (UK) »

Hi, Downside has a point!

I recreated Keith's file from his source and added the missing tags and the banner was still at the top when I uploaded to my site.

So I took out the reference to the css file and the banner is now at the bottom (with no css formatting at all!)   Cry

so how does a css file affect a banner it doesn't know is there?
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Re: Why has the Rootschat footer become a header!!?
« Reply #18 on: Thursday 04 January 07 15:28 GMT (UK) »

Maybe this bit ??

#border {
 background-image: url(border.jpg);
 background-repeat: repeat-y;
 left: 0;
 min-height: 100%;
 height:expression("100%");
 padding-left: 160px;
 position: absolute;
 top: 0;
}

There was another topic here about positioning for the RootsChat footer (*), and I think that got mentioned there as well.

I've tried now and then to do two column layouts without tables, but some browsers don't like the position: .... formatting in CSS.

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Topic: HTML help - RootsChat link
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« Reply #19 on: Thursday 04 January 07 15:35 GMT (UK) »

I remember having probs when I did that temp website back in April with Microsoft Publisher. You were very patient with me Bob  Wink

The RC footer slotted in  at the bottom on my current (NOF) site - no prob  Smiley

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Re: Why has the Rootschat footer become a header!!?
« Reply #20 on: Thursday 04 January 07 15:35 GMT (UK) »

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so how does a css file affect a banner it doesn't know is there?

Because of line 11?

<div ID="border">

Using a reserved word may have caused a browser to get its knickers in a twist.

Keith needs to change that variable 'border' to something else e.g. kbborder.

He may need to change references to the variable 'border' in other files and change them to kbborder or whatever variable name he wants ID to have e.g

#border {

change to:

#kbborder {

Certainly Firefox does have problems with some .css code that has been coded for I.E. browsers.

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Re: Why has the Rootschat footer become a header!!?
« Reply #21 on: Thursday 04 January 07 15:37 GMT (UK) »

Hi Headbanger

You can control it with CSS. The trouble is that you have to use the basic DIV to do it. That means that every DIV in your webpages have to have a class defined for them.

Absolute positioning is awful. Anything which is absolutely positioned is invisible to any normally formatted tags that come after.

The only thin that I can come up with is an invisible gif graphic which is as tall as you need it to be. It doesn't have to be very wide. Display that as the last thing on your page and the logo should appear below it.

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Re: Why has the Rootschat footer become a header!!?
« Reply #22 on: Thursday 04 January 07 15:42 GMT (UK) »

The quick and nasty method:

put 37 < br> tags between the </div> and the <!--- Rootschat.com footer ... lines  Grin

doesn't matter if it's 37 lines, or all in one or two lines, as long as you have 37 < br>'s
(without the space between < and br, that's only so they show on this posting)


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« Reply #23 on: Thursday 04 January 07 15:53 GMT (UK) »

Berlin Bob is quite right about the border giving grief. I took the <DIV ID="border"> out of the page and the banner sank to the bottom.

I then tested Downside's thoughts and changed the div name and css to <DIV ID="board">. The banner floated to the top again so....
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Re: Why has the Rootschat footer become a header!!?
« Reply #24 on: Thursday 04 January 07 16:02 GMT (UK) »

got it, I hope

Keith you will have to go into your css file and look for this code.
You don't want an absolute position for your left border, it seems so

#border {
background-image: url(border.jpg);
background-repeat: repeat-y;
left: 0;
*min-height: 100%;
height:expression("100%");
padding-left: 160px;
position: absolute;                   Delete this line completely and you should be ok
top: 0;
}

Still correct the html tags as mentioned above just to keep your page correct for any fussy browsers.
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« Reply #25 on: Thursday 04 January 07 16:12 GMT (UK) »

Hi All,


Thanks for all those comments - I think  Wink Cheesy Grin

The trouble with me is I see something is wrong and play away until it "appears" to be right - then other things start to go wrong !

The only reason I updated my software programme was that I found that when you clicked on a link it took you to the top of the page concerned - go back and do the same thing again and it went to the correct position on the page - spent ages trying to see what "I" had done wrong - later it turned out to be a bug or a "feature" as my brother calls them!!

So now realise that some/most programmes are badly written - but whereas you lot know what you are doing I don't!

The 2 lines you mention I have "messed" about with on my special pages - so that part may be me - BUT the banner also appears at the top of the surname index etc - which I have not touched - but it did not appear there before I upgraded!

Anyway - as I said many thank to trying to help - will go away and read them all again - as see which bits I CAN understand!  Grin

Cheers

Keith

P.S. Just seen your post falcybe as I tried to load my reply - will have a go with that
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« Reply #26 on: Thursday 04 January 07 16:17 GMT (UK) »

Hi Keith, as you are changing your html page you could also change the code of the div to

<DIV ID="border" "position:absolute;top:0px; left:0px"> to make sure it stays there!

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« Reply #27 on: Thursday 04 January 07 16:39 GMT (UK) »


This Web designing is easy isn't it  Grin Grin Grin Grin

With everyone's help I now have the banner at the bottom - the border at the side and the words around the pictures  Grin Grin Grin Cool Cool Cool

I think you all deserve a cup of tea and a few chocolate biscuits!

THANK YOU

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« Reply #28 on: Thursday 04 January 07 16:55 GMT (UK) »

Blooming easy!  Grin

Sorry to put a damper on your choccy biccies Keith but your other pages, Index, Surnames, Places and Charts are also buggered, with the banner appearing in the middle. Your home page is ok  Cheesy

I tried to recreate the problem with your chart page but couldn't. So I don't know how to resolve the problem. You have about 20 position absolutes and relatives on your css page so that is going to be a long hard slog unless none of them are actually needed for page layout.

Instead of deleting the lines where you have the code, put /* at the beginning and */ at the end of each line to stop the browser from reading the code but then you don't forget what was there. I'll just try one other thing before you get involved here and post back. See you in 30 minutes
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« Reply #29 on: Thursday 04 January 07 17:09 GMT (UK) »

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your other pages, Index, Surnames, Places and Charts are also buggered, with the banner appearing in the middle.

On my site now all the above have the banner at the bottom - I used IE6 (but don't tell Bob!!) - do you use a different browser?

The index/home page is one of my "specials" as I put my own things on here that my software wont let me!!

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