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Keith Bateman
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Re: Why has the Rootschat footer become a header!!?
« Reply #75 on: Saturday 06 January 07 22:31 GMT (UK) »

Hi falcybe,

I have made up my site again - and uploaded 4 pages -
chart_list.htm
pm1.htm
surname_index.htm
master_index.htm

All these now have the footer at the top on my IE6 browser - with the border of books going all the way down.

Have a Nice time at the party

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Re: Why has the Rootschat footer become a header!!?
« Reply #76 on: Saturday 06 January 07 23:30 GMT (UK) »

Keith

Do I get the impression your cat has stopped grinning?

At least it's now consistent Grin

They all show at the top in IE7, Firefox and Opera. The footer seems to be the last item to load.

Have a drink and/or sleep on it

Good luck tomorrow

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Re: Why has the Rootschat footer become a header!!?
« Reply #77 on: Saturday 06 January 07 23:39 GMT (UK) »

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Do I get the impression your cat has stopped grinning?
Julian

Yes - I will have to change it to the "Sad Shroppie" one shortly!! Shocked

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Re: Why has the Rootschat footer become a header!!?
« Reply #78 on: Sunday 07 January 07 01:25 GMT (UK) »

Hi Keith,

It is crazy, every page which is wrongly coded displays properly with the banner at the bottom. Every page which is correctly coded is wrong.
The main item which changes the position of your banner is the </div> closing out the <div id="border"> tag at the beginning.
If you look at the bottom banner pages, after the  you don't have the </div> whereas on the other pages where the banner is at the top you do have this tag.

What to do?

Taking out the /* position: absolute;*/ in your site.css cured quite a bit but left some files with the banner in the middle in IE7.
Instead of actually deleting the words you can put in /* ..... */ as I show here so you never forget the code that was there in the beginning. The line will not be read if they have opening and closing /* */.

I think that there were not many middle banner files but for these you could if you want my fix (which gives you a short left hand border in FireFox as well as in IE7 (which you have at the moment) only one screen high) create a second site.css, site2.css for example, copying from the first one.
Just above the code for border in the new css file you would put in:

#content { MARGIN-LEFT: 150px; PADDING-LEFT: 10px; PADDING-RIGHT: 10px;}

#border {
background-image: url(border.jpg);
background-repeat: repeat-y;
left: 0;
min-height: 100%;
height:expression("100%");
padding-left: 160px;
position: absolute; and this line is back in!!!!!!
top: 0;
}

Then in your few remaining wrong htm files you would place extra coding at the top of the file where you have the <DIV ID="border">

<DIV ID = "content">
<DIV ID="border">

</DIV>

And of course you would change the css reference to <link type="text/css" rel="STYLESHEET" href="/site2.css">

So, 1) start with /**/ round the position absolute then get your brother to check a few data files especially the people from the surnames list and the four files:
Index surnames places charts. Checking 3 or 4 files from each section should see you through. and really I hope that only these 4 files will be affected.

2) When you are happy you have only a few files left to correct then alter them, pointing to the site2.css

3) get your brother to have a look at the files you have changed in 2) and promise him a pint or two! Tongue

I'll try and get back to you in the evening to see how you get on.

Of course, you could always make no 1 downloading Firefox so you don't have to bother your brother....... and if you do this then also download the add-on called Firebug and install it so you can check coding for any htm file with its js and css etc

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Re: Why has the Rootschat footer become a header!!?
« Reply #79 on: Sunday 07 January 07 02:02 GMT (UK) »

Hi falcybe,

You have more confidence in me than I do!! Wink

I will try to do the things you have written - hope I am up to it!! Roll Eyes

You think Firefox & IE7 work similar (my brother is beginning to get a bit fed up with me!)

In otherwords if I get it to work in Firefox it will look OK in IE7?

So some things only just change - don't I remember putting * - * to stop actions being read 20 years ago!!!!

Will give it a go in the morning/afternoon/evening and probably night! Embarrassed

Thanks for your help - and everyone else who has dragged me kicking and screaming into the HTML world.

Cheers

Keith

P.S. Now what have I done - this page now stretches across 2 pages!!


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Re: Why has the Rootschat footer become a header!!?
« Reply #80 on: Sunday 07 January 07 02:59 GMT (UK) »

OK Keith

I've just realised that there 6 <div> and only 5 </div> in your webpage if you do as I suggested before
i.e. delete the <div> beneath the line:



therefore you should not delete the </div> but move it to the 3rd but last line:

</table>
</div>
</BODY>
</HTML>

What has become apparent is that the insertion of the RootsChat section of code has changed something
and that the closing </div> for the line that begins near the top:
<DIV ID="border">
has to be put below the RootsChat code.

The <div> tag is a paired tag. One tag opens a section of code and the other </div> closes it.
Just confuse matters, there are 5 sets of <div> </div> sections between the section of code that
control that books and quill border that is supposed to run down the left hand column.

I just looked at your pages using FireFox 1.5 and I noticed that the rootschat logo was wrongly displayed at
the top of the screen. So I suggest moving the </div> further down the page.

Unfortunately the book and quill picture does not go all the way down the page when using I.E.7. - in fact
is does 2 and a bit images and then stops. The only consolation is that if you move the </div> tag then at
least the RootsChat logo will be in the right place at the bottom of the screen hopefully for all browsers.

downside

PS get your website validated here: http://validator.w3.org/


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Re: Why has the Rootschat footer become a header!!?
« Reply #81 on: Sunday 07 January 07 13:09 GMT (UK) »

Hi All,

I now have Firefox v2.0.01 which I am using to write this reply!! Shocked

By just "blotting out" the absolute part on my site .css everything works great in both IE6 and Firefox2

So - one last phone call to my brother - but NO - the banner is across the middle and the book/border only goes part way down!!

So Lunch now and will try again after.

downside
I notice that when I start with the last 3 lines of
Div - Body - HTHL
That RC puts the banner after the DIV and before the BODY then comes HTML - then a large space and then "webspace prov........"
That is why I deleted all that (before I was told not to) - thinking that it all "belonged" to the RC footer.

Strange that the footer details should be in 2 places?

Anyway - thanks again - wonder if I like Firefox better?!

Cheers

Keith


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Re: Why has the Rootschat footer become a header!!?
« Reply #82 on: Sunday 07 January 07 16:03 GMT (UK) »

Hi falcybe,

I have done what you suggested to "Master Index" - which now has only part border in Firefox & IE6 - and footer at foot.

While typing the details as suggested - I thought they looked like one of the pages in Second Site set up - which I have attached a picture here.
Is there any way this could be altered instead - as this would do the whole site in one go!?

Phone my brother and he has the same!!!

Keith

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Re: Why has the Rootschat footer become a header!!?
« Reply #83 on: Sunday 07 January 07 19:40 GMT (UK) »

Hi Keith,

I've just got back from the party and it was great. We had a lovely meal with plenty of chat and laughter to go with it.
I had to come straight here and see how you'd got on and I see it works well in my FireFox too but not the IE7 because you have so many files with the end </div> correctly still in, all your data files of individual people. You will have a lot to change to get the whole site to work in IE7.

However, if you are happy to view your site in FireFox or IE6 then all you would have to change to keep yourself happy is the other 3 files in the same way you did the index.

I don't know anything about your second site set-up so cannot say ye or ney. However, you could experiment. 1st download the contents of your folder http://batemans-history.rootschat.net/ to a temporary folder on your pc. Then recreate the site with the parameters you think are correct and upload that to see if it works. And in the meantime you could write to second site again to press them to become compatible with IE7 asap.

Your site works in FireFox and IE6 so is it worth the hassle to carry on trying to get it to work in IE7 which you don't use? Especially if SS come up with a solution in the near future?

Enjoy the rest of your weekend and sorry I couldn't come up with a quicker fix for the whole site
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Re: Why has the Rootschat footer become a header!!?
« Reply #84 on: Sunday 07 January 07 20:38 GMT (UK) »

Hi falcybe,

Glad you had a good party.

Will have a rest for a couple of days and see then what I think.

downside.

Daren't tell you the results of the validation - but all I will say is there were less errors than when I put this page on RC in!! Shocked

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Re: Why has the Rootschat footer become a header!!?
« Reply #85 on: Monday 08 January 07 13:59 GMT (UK) »

Keith

Have you had a look at the Second Site website FAQ section and the last topic?

Apparently, all you have to do is edit the site.css file and go down to the header
section and change the Padding-Top: value to 99.

Have you tried it?

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Re: Why has the Rootschat footer become a header!!?
« Reply #86 on: Monday 08 January 07 15:35 GMT (UK) »

Hi downside

I have tried that - the "Rootsweb" banner goes across the top (and blots out the title) - so moving the start position to 99 only moves the heading down to allow for the banner.

Rootschat banner goes at the bottom or the muddle in IE7 - so no difference.

I have had a reply from John Cardinal (the author of Second site)
In this he goes through my problems - but the basic thing seems to be it was not written for IE7 - his last update being Aug 2006 - before IE7
Also that he can do nothing about added banners as that is my webhost - and suggests I change that!!!!

He also says that IE7 is an old inferior browser - and that Firefox & Opera are better (my site runs fine in both of those!) - trouble is 90% of people (like me till yesterday) are to lazy to change from IE.

I have learnt quite a bit about what I should and shouldn't have on my site - whether that will help me in the future I am not so sure - so thanks for that at least Grin

Cheers

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Re: Why has the Rootschat footer become a header!!?
« Reply #87 on: Monday 08 January 07 15:50 GMT (UK) »

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He also says that IE7 is an old inferior browser - and that Firefox & Opera are better (my site runs fine in both of those!)

May I point at that even he though he is right,

80 -90 % of all Internet users use IE, so it is his obligation, to allow for this.

Or he must say in his advertising, that his program doesn't work correctly in some IE versions.

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Re: Why has the Rootschat footer become a header!!?
« Reply #88 on: Monday 08 January 07 15:56 GMT (UK) »

Hi Bob,

That's the problem - it wasn't around when I downloaded/paid for the programme - and even now when I go back to his site it lists which browsers it has been tested on - and IE7 is not listed!

Thanks for keeping an eye on me Wink

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Re: Why has the Rootschat footer become a header!!?
« Reply #89 on: Monday 08 January 07 16:00 GMT (UK) »

Keith

I was look ing at http://batemans-history.rootschat.net/master_index.htm using FireFox 2.0
and noticed your border.jpg image was only displayed twice down the left hand column rather
than the entire vertical length of the page, so I suspect that Firefox has problems with your code
as well as I.E.7. At least Firefox displays the rootschat logo in the right place.

I.E.7 an old browser? It is supposed to be Microsoft's newest version.
I think a bad workman does blame his tools after all. At least we have
managed to work-out how partially resolve the problem by moving the
last </div> to below the rootschat footer. I still can't resolve the left hand border
problem in I.E.7. I've tried a few things but but nothing has worked so far.

Bye for now

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