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Topic: Why has the Rootschat footer become a header!!? (Read 5294 times)
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Keith Bateman
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Hi All,
I have updated the software that makes up the pages on my website - and now the Rootschat "footer" has appeared at the top of the page - across the writing - can anyone tell me what to alter?
You may know I can't read HTML - only do copy and paste - so will need simple instructions please.
A sample page is here:
http://batemans-history.rootschat.net/jobsfortheboys.htm
Cheers
Keith
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Berlin-Bob
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Hi Keith,
when I look at your source code, I see this at the end of the page:
<!-- END OF INDENTED CONTENT --> </DIV> </HTML> <!-- RootsChat.com footer --> <p> : : :<table border="0" align="center" cellSpacing="0" cellPadding="1" bgColor="#999999"> : : </table><!-- /RootsChat.com footer --> <!-- Webspace provided by RootsChat.com -->
Try moving the </HTML> to the very end of the file.
I tried it locally (offline on my computer) and it seems to work.
Bob
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Keith Bateman
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Hi Bob,
Thanks for that - will give them both a go and let you know - even I can do that with code 
I even saw the "HTML" tag and wondered if it was in the correct place 
Cheers
Keith
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Keith Bateman
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Hi Bob,
That didn't seem to work - well the way I did it didn't
I also saw that the first photo had align left already down - whereas the others did not - and all were the same on my screen.
The footer is at the top on all the pages generated by my software (not the special ones I have done on Front Page which I haven't updated) and they have the "HTML" tag at the very bottom - so even if your suggestion had worked I could not alter all my pages - and other ideas?
Getting to technical for me - but is it something in my "site.css" which has been altered?
Seems strange to me that all have the following line in:
<BODY ONLOAD="javascript:init('Your Family History Site (surname_index.htm)');">
Or similar
Which causes an "error on page" message to be displayed at the bottom - and when I delete the whole line, no message appears and nothing seems to alter - so why have the line in - in the first place?!
Cheers
Keith
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Berlin-Bob
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Hi Keith,
I don't know what your program does, so I can't really comment.
At the moment I can't see a </html> at all !!
I also don't see an align="left" inside an <img-tag, only in <p-tags
It should cause the text to start at the top of the image, rather than at the bottom.
You may have to add that by hand, if your program doesn't do it.
good luck,
Bob
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Keith Bateman
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Hi Bob,
As you can see this is what I have for an image:
<P align="left"><a href="shoemaker.jpg"><img border="2" src="http://batemans-history.rootschat.net/shoemaker_small.jpg" alt="Shoemaker.jpg (83535 bytes)"></a>
Exactly where do I add "align=left"?
I tried to put the "HTML" tag at the end.
The other trouble is that when I try to alter a page in Front Page it has now started to add the following - which you did tell me before adds time to the download:
http://batemans-history.rootschat.net/
"A little knowledge is a dangerous thing" often comes to mind when I am messing about with HTML!!!!!!!
Keith
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Keith Bateman
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Hi Bob,
Don't you understand "Shroppie-Bateman"  
Front Page is the Microsoft programme I use to make up my "special" pages - and if you look at the "source" file now you will see it has altered again to put all images with the tag
src="http://batemans-history.rootschat.net/shoemaker_small.jpg"
I presume "src" stands for source?
Think I will start again - and leave it all as it was - the footer as a header is not toooo bad!!
Thanks for trying - I realise it is difficult to teach me anything until I learn HTML - which is not for the present!!!
Keith
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Berlin-Bob
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I hate FrontPage !!!!!!
That is a purely personal, totally irrational point of view, and I am sure it is a very nice program, once you are used to it, etc, etc, etc.
FrontPage is well known for "having a mind of it's own" and doing things you haven't asked it to do, simply because it feels it ought to
(never mind what you, the user, wants, FrontPage Rules - OK !!)
OK, so this is an anthropomorphical explanation of what happens, but it sums it up nicely.
all your <img tags should have src="your-file-name", which means that the pics are there, where you are, on your site !!
The web-address in src="http ......" is only necessary, if the source of the image is not your website.
Grrrhhhhhhh !!!
I'm going off for a cup of tea and a chokkie biscuit, and hopefully my view of the (internet) world will have improved by then !!
Bob
ps. Keith, Don't take this personally, this is not directed against you.
I hate MicroSoft and most of it's products, you just happened to get caught in the middle.
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Berlin-Bob
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and when I get really cross, I crush grapes with my bare hands - so watch it you lot !!
Had a second cup of tea, and two chokkie biscuits, am feeling better now.
Ranting aside:
When I started programming 35 years ago, we had to do everything by hand. Since then, computers are not just for experts but for anybody who wants to use one. And because they are now being produced for the non-expert community, programs are now often written, to try to help the user as much as possible.
This means that a lot of "default" guesses are made, "what the user wants", and sometimes it is easy to say "no, do it differently" and sometimes it isn't.
At work we write programs for very specific purposes, and a proportion of our time is spent "fighting MicroSoft" i.e. trying to get round MicroSoft's idea of "what the customer wants" and making it do what our customers really want.
The positive side of it all many more people can get much more use out of computers than they would have been able to 20 or even 10 years ago.
Bob
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falcybe
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Hello, I think I know why the rootchat banner is at the top of your page.
1) This banner is added by rootschat so we cannot control the html for it or displace </html> tags around it so you have to do something to your page before uploading it to your site.
2) I compared your source to mine and noticed a glaring lack of code which you may have to add yourself (as the whitesmith) after frontpage has finished being the blacksmith to your pages (to use a couple of your rellies' jobs  )
3a) Open the source of the file on your pc and
3b) the top 2 lines of your source are <HTML> and <HEAD> and about 8 lines down you have </HEAD> Your next line is <DIV ID="border"> No body!!!! 
So after </HEAD> put in <BODY> either next to </HEAD> or insert a line, your choice.
4) At the end of your file (really your file, before the rootschat banner) you have:
<!-- END OF INDENTED CONTENT -->
</DIV> and nothing else!!!! 
Can you see, in 3b your head has a closing /head but on your page you don't close your body (which I asked you to add) or your html,
5) Remedy, at the end of your page, after your </DIV> put in
</BODY></HTML>, the first shall be last and all that
That should cure it because all your <DIV>'s have a closing </DIV> so upload the amended file and open it and perhaps F5 it to force an opening of the new one rather than the cache.
This is the format of a very basic HTML page: There are lots of alternatives for the 1st line <!DOCTYPE...> including not putting it in at all, like your page but everything else from <html> on should be there in the order shown and everything the visitor sees on the main screen is between the <body> tags. The title is in the (blue) line right at the top of the screen.
<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">
<html>
<head>
<title>Page title</title>
</head>
<body>
</body>
</html>
cheers, falcybe
ps: I loved your site
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