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yn9man
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My paternal g grandparents James Galt Adam and Julia Murray Mellis were married 21 Jan 1889 in Glasgow, Scotland. Their first child, Daisy, was born in February 1889 in Canada. He was a civil engineer. I am attempting to find when they arrived in Canada and also where they arrived in Canada.
The marriage information is from their Scottish marriage cert and the birth of Daisy is from the 1900 US census.
Thanks and any leads or assistance will be appreciated.
yn9man
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Scotland - Adam, Galt, Jardine, Turnbull, Robertson, Murray, Allison, Mitchell, Brown, Younie, Key, McGilvrea, Mellis/ Mellice, McHutcheon, Auchincloss, Jardine, Rae
England - Saunders, Williams/Wyllams, Charlton, McKey, Lance, Jory, Ellis, Trounson, Dingle,
Hambridge, Sweetman/Sweatman, Ricks/Rix, Cole, Shearwood, Brooks
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MJP
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Hi yn9man,
Well, Daisy is not showing up in the Ontario birth records, but I can't check the other provinces.
If the dates you have given are true, that is a pretty tight window for making the crossing. (And I wouldn't want to do it when 8 months pregnant!) I would take Daisy's birth date with a pretty big grain of salt. (My rellies said on the 1911 census that they immigrated in 1886 and 1885, even though they were married in Toronto in 1882!) So it's amazing how people's memories get muddled. Although with Daisy being only 11 in 1900, you would think it would be easier to remember her age. 
Anyway, the passenger lists for this period have not been indexed, unless you get lucky and find them on one of the ongoing Internet transcription projects. The original manifests can be found on the national archives website, so you can search through all the lists for ships arriving in Feb 1889 if you like. Here is the link
http://www.collectionscanada.ca/archivianet/passenger/001045-100.01-e.php
Sorry I can't be of more help!
MJP
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Information given in census transcriptions is Crown Copyright http://www.nationalarchives.gov.ukEagle (Yorkshire), Prior (Berkshire), Buckland (Nottinghamshire), Short (Devon), Sinclair (Caithness, Scotland), Patterson (Co. Tyrone, Ireland) |
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yn9man
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Hi MJP -
Thanks for looking in the Ontario birth records and the link to the Canadian website. I figured it was a long shot but worth the effort.
My thoughts about the crossing are the same as yours. I keep thinking the Canadian arrival information must be wrong. However, I wouldn't be so sure of the dates except that other documents reflect the same arrival information. Daisy passed away before the 1910 census and James didn't live until the 1920 census. I know the birth information on her two brothers in 1897/98 and 1900 is accurate.
Thanks again and appreciate your efforts.
yn9man
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Scotland - Adam, Galt, Jardine, Turnbull, Robertson, Murray, Allison, Mitchell, Brown, Younie, Key, McGilvrea, Mellis/ Mellice, McHutcheon, Auchincloss, Jardine, Rae
England - Saunders, Williams/Wyllams, Charlton, McKey, Lance, Jory, Ellis, Trounson, Dingle,
Hambridge, Sweetman/Sweatman, Ricks/Rix, Cole, Shearwood, Brooks
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Josephine
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yn9man,
Where in the U.S. were they living in 1900? Perhaps it might provide a clue as to where they might have landed in Canada.
(For example, if they were living in Maine, they might have landed at Saint John, New Brunswick.)
P.S. I don't see Daisy in the Province of Manitoba birth index:
http://web2.gov.mb.ca/cca/vital/Query.php
Regards,
Josephine
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Barnett (Chatham, Kent)
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George (London area, incl. Bethnal Green)
Holland (Cheshire)
Parker (Chatham, Kent)
Pope (Middlesex)
Salisbury (Cheshire)
Simmons (Kent)
Cunningham, Dobson, Easton, Muir, Pryde & Oliver (Scotland to Canada)
Carson, Colbert, Colclough, Coy, McGlinchey, Riley, Rooney, Trotter & Waters (Ireland to Canada)
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Josephine
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Another P.S:
I don't see her in the index at the Provincial Archives of New Brunswick website, either:
http://archives.gnb.ca/Archives/Default.aspx?L=EN
Or on the Charlotte County, New Brunswick GenWeb site:
http://www.rootsweb.com/~nbcharlo/
Regards,
Josephine
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Barnett (Chatham, Kent)
Beaumont (Gillingham, Kent)
Christy (Shropshire, Lancashire & Cheshire)
George (London area, incl. Bethnal Green)
Holland (Cheshire)
Parker (Chatham, Kent)
Pope (Middlesex)
Salisbury (Cheshire)
Simmons (Kent)
Cunningham, Dobson, Easton, Muir, Pryde & Oliver (Scotland to Canada)
Carson, Colbert, Colclough, Coy, McGlinchey, Riley, Rooney, Trotter & Waters (Ireland to Canada)
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Josephine
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P.P.S.
Also not found in the online British Columbia birth index:
http://search.bcarchives.gov.bc.ca/sn-4D72610/gbsearch/Births
Sorry for so many P.S.'s. I'm a bit scattered this morning, I guess.
Regards,
Josephine
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Barnett (Chatham, Kent)
Beaumont (Gillingham, Kent)
Christy (Shropshire, Lancashire & Cheshire)
George (London area, incl. Bethnal Green)
Holland (Cheshire)
Parker (Chatham, Kent)
Pope (Middlesex)
Salisbury (Cheshire)
Simmons (Kent)
Cunningham, Dobson, Easton, Muir, Pryde & Oliver (Scotland to Canada)
Carson, Colbert, Colclough, Coy, McGlinchey, Riley, Rooney, Trotter & Waters (Ireland to Canada)
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yn9man
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Josephine -
No problem. I appreciate you taking time to respond.
I have looked for Daisy (on and off) for several years in all of the Canadian provinces. I thought at first it was a "pet" name but the name appears more than once in the family. I believe they would have been in the Eastern part of Canada due to James working in and around Montreal.
James worked as a civil engineer in and around Montreal during the 1890s. He worked on a canal and bridge in the area. They left for the US in 1897 (per census records) and moved to Cambridge and Somerville in Massachusetts. Julia moved to California after James died sometime between 1910 and 1920. I can't find the death of James (or of two other children) in Massachusetts. It is a big mystery.
Enjoy your day 
yn9man
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Scotland - Adam, Galt, Jardine, Turnbull, Robertson, Murray, Allison, Mitchell, Brown, Younie, Key, McGilvrea, Mellis/ Mellice, McHutcheon, Auchincloss, Jardine, Rae
England - Saunders, Williams/Wyllams, Charlton, McKey, Lance, Jory, Ellis, Trounson, Dingle,
Hambridge, Sweetman/Sweatman, Ricks/Rix, Cole, Shearwood, Brooks
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MJP
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Ah - Montreal. That would be your problem! 
Unfortunately there was no civil BMD registration in the province of Quebec until 1994. (Yes 1994). Before that it is all in church records, and they have not been indexed in any collective way.
This is an article I have found useful, and the author of this site is also running a personal transcription project for BMDs from Montreal area churches, so you might get lucky!
http://simmons.b2b2c.ca/attach1.htm
Also, if you havent' seen it, the Montreal Directories have been digitised here
http://bibnum2.bnquebec.ca/bna/lovell/index.html
Click on "serie principale" on the left-hand menu - after that it is in English. James appears in the 1895 directory - I didn't check any others...
MJP
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Information given in census transcriptions is Crown Copyright http://www.nationalarchives.gov.ukEagle (Yorkshire), Prior (Berkshire), Buckland (Nottinghamshire), Short (Devon), Sinclair (Caithness, Scotland), Patterson (Co. Tyrone, Ireland) |
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Josephine
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yn9man,
Here are my suggestions (you've probably tried them already but here goes).
1. If you can find them in the 1891 census, that should list the city or town (if she was born in Quebec) or the province (if she was born outside Quebec) in which Daisy was born. If you know their religion, then perhaps you could look for a baptismal record. (Either through the LDS or by writing the diocese for that area.) I don't know about the Quebec census but other provinces asked for a person's religion in their census forms. I think you could also write to the city office or provincial archives regarding birth registration, just in case.
2. Request a search at the Massachusetts Registry of Vital Records and Statistics for the missing death records.
http://www.mass.gov/?pageID=eohhs2homepage&L=1&L0=Home&sid=Eeohhs2
(From this link, go to "For Consumers" and then "Access Vital Records".)
"The cost for each certified copy of a record is $18.00 at the Registry counter which includes a ten-year search if the exact date and place of event is not known."
You could also contact the city offices in:
Cambridge: http://www.cambridgema.gov/index.cfm
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Somerville: http://www.ci.somerville.ma.us/
Or the public libraries:
Cambridge: http://www.cambridgepubliclibrary.org/
and
Somerville: http://www.somervillepubliclibrary.org/
Regards,
Josephine
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Barnett (Chatham, Kent)
Beaumont (Gillingham, Kent)
Christy (Shropshire, Lancashire & Cheshire)
George (London area, incl. Bethnal Green)
Holland (Cheshire)
Parker (Chatham, Kent)
Pope (Middlesex)
Salisbury (Cheshire)
Simmons (Kent)
Cunningham, Dobson, Easton, Muir, Pryde & Oliver (Scotland to Canada)
Carson, Colbert, Colclough, Coy, McGlinchey, Riley, Rooney, Trotter & Waters (Ireland to Canada)
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yn9man
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Ah - Montreal. That would be your problem! Unfortunately there was no civil BMD registration in the province of Quebec until 1994. (Yes 1994). Before that it is all in church records, and they have not been indexed in any collective way. This is an article I have found useful, and the author of this site is also running a personal transcription project for BMDs from Montreal area churches, so you might get lucky! http://simmons.b2b2c.ca/attach1.htmAlso, if you havent' seen it, the Montreal Directories have been digitised here http://bibnum2.bnquebec.ca/bna/lovell/index.htmlClick on "serie principale" on the left-hand menu - after that it is in English. James appears in the 1895 directory - I didn't check any others... MJP
Thanks for your response. Just another problem to place on top of the brickwall already in place. thanks for the web addresses. I will look to see how helpful.
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Scotland - Adam, Galt, Jardine, Turnbull, Robertson, Murray, Allison, Mitchell, Brown, Younie, Key, McGilvrea, Mellis/ Mellice, McHutcheon, Auchincloss, Jardine, Rae
England - Saunders, Williams/Wyllams, Charlton, McKey, Lance, Jory, Ellis, Trounson, Dingle,
Hambridge, Sweetman/Sweatman, Ricks/Rix, Cole, Shearwood, Brooks
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Josephine
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More on Quebec:
http://www.collectionscanada.ca/genealogy/022-906.006-e.html#quebec
"In Quebec, the civil registers of births (baptisms), marriages and deaths (burials), which date from 1621, were duplicate copies of the church registers. All of the pre-1900 records can be consulted at each of the nine regional offices of Bibliothèque et Archives nationales du Québec.
"Those registers were microfilmed by the Family History Library™ and are available through that institution."
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George (London area, incl. Bethnal Green)
Holland (Cheshire)
Parker (Chatham, Kent)
Pope (Middlesex)
Salisbury (Cheshire)
Simmons (Kent)
Cunningham, Dobson, Easton, Muir, Pryde & Oliver (Scotland to Canada)
Carson, Colbert, Colclough, Coy, McGlinchey, Riley, Rooney, Trotter & Waters (Ireland to Canada)
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yn9man
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Josephine -
Thanks for your suggestions. My computer or Rootschat has started to act up again today. I attempt to respond to a message and the system appears to just spins its wheels. The spell check button isn't working doesn't work but the preview button is. However if I click on preview the message gets sent (refer to above message to MJP) on its way. Enough on that ...
I have a copy of the letter my grandmother sent to Massachusetts about the death of James Adam and other family members. I also have the copy of the "couldn't locate" letter she received in return (circa 1976). It just might be time to send off another request. 
I also wasn't able to find the family in the Canadian census.
yn9man
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Scotland - Adam, Galt, Jardine, Turnbull, Robertson, Murray, Allison, Mitchell, Brown, Younie, Key, McGilvrea, Mellis/ Mellice, McHutcheon, Auchincloss, Jardine, Rae
England - Saunders, Williams/Wyllams, Charlton, McKey, Lance, Jory, Ellis, Trounson, Dingle,
Hambridge, Sweetman/Sweatman, Ricks/Rix, Cole, Shearwood, Brooks
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Josephine
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You're welcome, yn9man!
If those searches don't pay off, perhaps you could write to the cemeteries and funeral homes in those areas.
Have you looked for them in the passenger lists on ArchiviaNet:
http://www.collectionscanada.ca/archivianet/passenger/index-e.html
Good luck!
Josephine
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Barnett (Chatham, Kent)
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George (London area, incl. Bethnal Green)
Holland (Cheshire)
Parker (Chatham, Kent)
Pope (Middlesex)
Salisbury (Cheshire)
Simmons (Kent)
Cunningham, Dobson, Easton, Muir, Pryde & Oliver (Scotland to Canada)
Carson, Colbert, Colclough, Coy, McGlinchey, Riley, Rooney, Trotter & Waters (Ireland to Canada)
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Josephine -
Thanks again for spending so much time responding to my messages. I really appreciate. I have looked at the collectionscanada web site without any success.
I will eventually find them (unless they don't want to be found) but it just may take me a few more years.
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Scotland - Adam, Galt, Jardine, Turnbull, Robertson, Murray, Allison, Mitchell, Brown, Younie, Key, McGilvrea, Mellis/ Mellice, McHutcheon, Auchincloss, Jardine, Rae
England - Saunders, Williams/Wyllams, Charlton, McKey, Lance, Jory, Ellis, Trounson, Dingle,
Hambridge, Sweetman/Sweatman, Ricks/Rix, Cole, Shearwood, Brooks
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Josephine
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"I will eventually find them (unless they don't want to be found) but it just may take me a few more years."
yn9man,
You're most welcome. I know what you mean. I have some family members who refuse to be found, too.
I was able to find my grandfather's brother's death info by writing to all the funeral homes in his city. The local genealogical society hadn't found his grave in any of the transcripts because he doesn't have a tombstone.
Here's one last suggestion. Here's how I lucked out in finding my g-g-grandmother's sister's death. She lived in Maine her whole life then suddenly she was in Torrington, Connecticut in the 1930 census working as a housekeeper. Ancestry.com has some city directories for Torrington and I went through them until the final one with her named noted that she had died and gave the date of death! (I bet I'll never have that much luck again!) I wrote to the library in Torrington and the librarian sent me her obit which stated that she was buried in Maine.
Regards,
Josephine
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Christy (Shropshire, Lancashire & Cheshire)
George (London area, incl. Bethnal Green)
Holland (Cheshire)
Parker (Chatham, Kent)
Pope (Middlesex)
Salisbury (Cheshire)
Simmons (Kent)
Cunningham, Dobson, Easton, Muir, Pryde & Oliver (Scotland to Canada)
Carson, Colbert, Colclough, Coy, McGlinchey, Riley, Rooney, Trotter & Waters (Ireland to Canada)
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