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AmandaP
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My Gx4 Grandmother Isabella Laycock (nee Bunker)
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I have an old prayer book from the 1800's which was passed to my Great Grandmother's sister Stella. In the book, Stella has noted that she has written to L S Newman at 4 P? ?? Parade, Cheltenham Gloucestershire England (this letter was sent from Australia) on 15 May 1905. Does anyone from that area possibly have an Ephraim Newman in their family tree who went to Australia in the mid to late 1800s?
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AmandaP
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Hi Julia,
Thanks for that information, thats great.  Hopefully I connect the people in the prayer book to my Great Grandmother's father.
If there is anyone related to Lucy S Newman out there, I would love to hear from you.
Regards,
Amanda
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From Australia back to: England: CON/DEV - Acres, Ruse; CAM -Cooper, Pett; CHS/LAN - Brown, Hogan; DOR - Pitt; GLS - Gabb, Green, Newman, Scudamore, Skidmore, Walkley; London/MDX - Geale, Perry; SOM - Owen; SURREY - Good(y/g)er WAR - Heming; WIL - Ford; Laycock, Matcham, Hinchley, Smith, Rixon Ireland: McGann - Tipperay Harrigan/Haddigaddy/Hargedon & other variations - Castlebar Mayo Scotland: Warnock - Renfrew & Lanarkshire USA: Bunker - Nantucket www.geocities.com/gealefamilyreunion |
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AmandaP
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Hi Sandie,
Thanks for your reply  , Julia had posted the census info earlier but rootschat deleted it.
I've found Lucy on the 1881 census since living with her sisters Matilda, Arabella and Caroline. They also had a maid and a cook. They appear to have all been old spinsters and were living off the family's money, obviously very well off.
Only Matilda's christening 1804 is on IGI though, along with two brothers Charles Samuel 1798 and Henry 1801 and another sister Helen 1809, all in Stroud. The younger three sisters missed out on being listed which means there could be more siblings too.
I've put all the pieces of the prayer book together (there were lots of dates and names written in there) by using the New South Wales Births Deaths and Marriages Index as a reference. My Great Great Grandfather was Frederick Augustus Newman born in Sydney in 1845, it appears his Aunty was Lucy back in England. Frederick's father was Charles Alfred Newman so I'm guessing that the Charles Samuel listed in 1798 died and then they had a younger son and named him Charles after the first one died (I've found they did that a bit back then, one child died so they give the next one the same name) - either that or Charles had two middle names Are there any records other than IGI that can be looked at to check this? Their parents were Charles and Arabella Newman (nee Smith).
I'm really hoping to confirm the exact relation between Lucy Newman and her family and my Newmans downunder.
Regards,
Amanda
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AmandaP
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Hi Sandie,
Thank you very much for sending the censuses through to me, I really appreciate it.
Thanks,
Amanda
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censusmick
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Census information is Crown copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
Source of the Baptisms and Marriages is acknowledged as being from the I.G.I. microfiche
Source of G.R.O .information is acknowledged as being from the FREEBMD web-site
G'day Amanda
This probably duplicates what you already have, but I throw it into the melting pot, just in case.
I believe that you have the widowed mother , 3 daughters & 1 step-daughter at 25 Clarence Square in the 1851 Census ?
I assume that this mother, Susan age 60 in 1851, was the 2nd wife of Charles ? - the 1st being Arabella Smith ?
as Matilda, the step-daughter, was 46 in 1851.
Susan was shown in the 1851 Census as being born in Herefordshire and although the rest is open to interpretation, depending on your eyesight !!,
the census image page place of birth could be viewed as 'Weston' ?
In the I.G.I. in Herefordshire there is a marriage between a Charles Newman and a Susanna Parker in 1812-Jan-06 at Weston under Penyard HEF.
Weston under Penyard is approximately, as the kookaburra ? flies, 20 miles North-West of Stroud and also 20 miles West of Cheltenham.
A stones throw in OZ !!
I know its wrong to assume, but the ages of the 'later' kids appear to tie into this date ?:
Caroline Susan c1817 - a Caroline Susan Newman is shown in the GRO Deaths 1889 March Qtr Cheltenham age 72 ( = b.c1817 )
E J c1823 ( who was this other daughter shown in the 1851 Census ? )
Lucy S c1829 - a Lucy Selina Newman is shown in the GRO Deaths 1910 March Qtr Cheltenham age 80 ( =b.c1830 ) - I wonder if she left a Will ?
The closest Death I can see for Susan / Susannah is a Susannah Newman - Death 1872 March Qtr Cheltenham age 83 ( = b. c1789 )
We know Charles died before the 1851 Census - there are 3 deaths of a Charles at Cheltenham in the GRO indexes from 1837 to 1851
1837- September Qtr, 1848 December Qtr and 1850 June Qtr
Do you have any 1841 Census details ?? If he is alive in 1841 then this narrows it down to 2 Deaths.
Matilda Newman Death 1889 September Qtr Cheltenham age 84 ( = b. c1805 )
I cant find Arabellas death ? if it was before 1866 then the ages do not show in the GRO indexes.
Other bapts. of kids of Charles / Arabella Smith - - all at Stroud GLS
Chas Saml 1798-Jun-28
Henry 1801-Jan-22
Matilda 1805-Jan-01
Helen 1809-Jun-12
At Teresa ? Place, South Hamlet ( ED 5a ) GLS in the 1851 Census - Film 1962 Folio 392 / A
Edward ROBINSON Head Married 56 Paper Merchant b Littledean GLS
Augusta S ROBINSON Wife Married 41 ? ( Enumerator strike-through ) b Cheltenham GLS
Arabela P NEWMAN Visitor Un-married 37 ? ( Enumerator strike-through ) Attorneys daughter b Stroud GLS
Arabela (sic) appears to be one of yours ?, but I wonder about the wife, Augusta S Robinson ?
Can you seek a look up for this marriage ?, it would be nice if there is a connection - hopefully sisters
I was working on the lines of Frederick Augustus Newman and this Augusta - probably wild speculation ??
Cheers Mike Newman - a small cog in the Newman Name Society
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AmandaP
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Hi Mike,
Thank you very much for your post. I'm assuming that the children that appear on IGI belong to 1st wife Arabella and the children that don't appear on IGI belong to 2nd wife Susan. I also thought that the Herefordshire marriage you mention might be the correct marriage.
I have only seen a 1841 Census for Lucy Newman showing her away at school and not an 1841 census for the rest of the family.
I will post a look up request for Augusta as per your suggestion.
Are you connected to these particular Newmans?
Thanks & regards,
Amanda
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