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Topic: Colgan of Tonduff & Ardihannon? (Read 722 times)
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geniecolgan
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Does anybody know my family? I'm seeking any thing I can add to my meagre Irish roots.
I know that Colgan is an ancient Irish name. It even occurs in the Irish Annals.  but they seem to be an endangered species when it come to Irish records. 
Known facts:-
My 2nd gt. grandparents marriage;
20 Mar 1846 at Dunseverick Church, Diocese Of Connor.
Charles Colgan, full age, Stone Mason, Ardihannon, Parish of Billy, father Hugh Colgan, Stone Mason
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(Kitty) Catharine McCollum, full age, Tonduff, Parish of Dunseverick, father John Mc Collum, Farmer.
United Church of England and Ireland, By License.
Witnesses; John Quigg & Bartley Wallace.
Griffiths Valuation 1861-2;
Hugh Colgan at Ardihannon Townland, Charles Colgan & John Mc Collum at Tonduff Townland.
My gt grandparent's marriage:-
20 Jan 1875 at Dunluce Church, Parish of Dunluce.
Charles Colgan junior, minor, Farmer, Tonduff, father, Charles Colgan, Farmer.
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Margaret Scott, minor, Bushmiils, father, Joseph Scott, Gentleman. Parish Church, Church of Ireland by Banns.
Witnesses; John Colgan & Margaret Thomson.
Charles junior & Margaret moved to London, shortly after they were married and he became a police constable. Their first child, Charles Templeton Colgan (my grandfather) was born Mar 1876 in London and they had 6 other children while there. Eventually, the family split with some in Canada, some in the USA and some in the UK.
Charles senior & junior were staunch protestants.
What I don't know is;
Who was Margaret's mother? I'm trying to find the connection with the Templeton name as some of Chas & Margaret's progeny were given this as a middle name.
See topic:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,228824.0.html
Who were Charles senior's ancestors.
Who were Charles junior's ancestors & siblings.
Any help appreciated.
Thanks, jc 
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Colgan, Scott, Templeton in Northern Antrim
Colgan in Saskatchewan, Canada
Durrant in Herts & Middlesex
Ford,Smith in Hammersmith, Fulham, Brentford
Whiting in Berkshire
Weller in Sussex and London
Walker in the 24th of Foot, (Canada, Ireland, India and South Africa) and London
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danadavkins
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Hello,
I have information on a Sarah Colgan Black who was from Ardihannon, Billy Parish, County Antrim, daughter of Hugh Colgan. She married a James Black from Clogher North, Antrim in Coleraine in 1852. I don't know why they married outside their own county. Hugh Colgan was one of the witnesses who was probably her father. Sarah and her husband James immigrated shortly after their marriage to Philadelphia where their son Hugh Black was born. Hugh Black became well known in Philadelphia politics and became the city commissioner of Philadelphia. My great great grandmother, Martha Speer(Spear) Pollock, was born about 1830 in Northern Ireland and lived with this Hugh Black in Philadelphia during the last 10 years of her life. She was described as his aunt. Martha was the daughter of a John and Elizabeth Speer. For reasons unknown to me the spelling in this country, the US, was changed to Spear. I'm hoping to find the parish in Northern Ireland where my Martha was born by researching these family members whose roots were also in Northern Ireland. I would be pleased to share information with you that might help both of us in our research. I'm new to RootsChat so hopefully I'm posting correctly.
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geniecolgan
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Hello danadavkins,
what a nice surprise to meet you. Welcome to RootsChat.
From what I've learned, there are few of us Colgans and even fewer from Ardihannon. There is a good possibilty that our roots are from the same family. Your Sarah and my Charles senior could well be siblings.
I'd be delighted to share Colgan research with you and look forward to your next post so that we can get together.
Hoping to hear from you soon.
genie
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Colgan, Scott, Templeton in Northern Antrim
Colgan in Saskatchewan, Canada
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Ford,Smith in Hammersmith, Fulham, Brentford
Whiting in Berkshire
Weller in Sussex and London
Walker in the 24th of Foot, (Canada, Ireland, India and South Africa) and London
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akanex2
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I did a quick search on Emerald Ancestors subscription database but found no marriages between Joseph Scott and a Templeton. There was however a James Scott (son of James) marrying Sarah Templeton (daughter of William) in 3rd Ahoghill Presbyterian Church (Ballymena district - Co Antrim) on 2 September 1852.
The database shows 112 Colgan marriages registered in Co Antrim in the 1845-1920 period, most in the Coleraine-Ballymoney-Ballycastle districts which meet near Ardihannon.
Did you know Ardihannon is the townland containing the world famous Giant's Causeway? http://www.northantrim.com/giantscauseway.htm
James Black married Sarah Colgan in Coleraine Registry Office on 2 March 1852. Although the town of Coleraine is in Co Londonderry it is very close to the Co Antrim boundary and some of Coleraine Borough (and Registration district) is in Co Antrim so it would have been their local office.
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geniecolgan
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Hi there
thanks for your input.
The Colgan-Scott/Templeton connection remains a mystery 
I believe there were quite a lot of Templetons in the Ballymena area but I have still not found out why my Margaret tacked the name on her sons.
Regarding the my Townlands, Ardihannon and Tonduff, they both back onto the Giants Causeway. A great place to have your roots, don't you think?
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Colgan, Scott, Templeton in Northern Antrim
Colgan in Saskatchewan, Canada
Durrant in Herts & Middlesex
Ford,Smith in Hammersmith, Fulham, Brentford
Whiting in Berkshire
Weller in Sussex and London
Walker in the 24th of Foot, (Canada, Ireland, India and South Africa) and London
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danadavkins
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Thank you for your response regarding why a 19th century County Antrim couple would have been married in the county of Derry. Thank you too for the inclusion of the beautiful photos of the area. Would this area along the northern coast have been predominately Scotch Irish in the 19th century?
Regarding the Colgan family of Ardihannon, Sarah Colgan Black of Ardihannon and Philadelphia and Charles Colgan of Adrdihannon and London must have been siblings. Our family history has recorded Hugh as Sarah's father, Hugh Calgon is recorded on her 1852 Coleraine marriage record as a witness and her address on this marriage record is Ardihannon. With 19th century Ardihannon having so few residents and 1850s Griffiths showing only one Hugh Colgan I'd assume they were siblings.
This 19th century Colgan family like yours were stone masons and continued this occupation in Philadelphia, the men stone masons or bricklayers, the women "weavers". Sarah was born about 1830/32, probably in this same area of County Antrim because I have a family note recording her father Hugh Colgan marrying in Coleraine about 1820 and born about 1796, his wife about 1799. There is no source recorded with this and no name for Hugh's wife. Sarah was sometimes called Sallie. She immigrated with her husband in 1853 from Northern Ireland to Philadelphia where there may have been a large Scotch/Irish area. I'll recheck their Philadelphia neighborhood for other Colgans. They were Presbyterians in Philadelphia and probably in Antrim too. Were the Scotch Irish in Northern Ireland traditionally Presbyterian? Sarah's sons were all named after fathers and grandfathers so I'm assuming her 2 daughters were named after their Colgan/Black grandmothers. Rachel was the oldest, Anna the youngest. My guess is that Hugh Colgan's wife was Anna because their naming pattern favored the father's side, then the mother's. Sarah died Nov. 30th, 1880 in Philadelphia. This is my 2nd attempt at posting thank yous to my very 1st posting. I'm still in the learning stage so must have somehow gone astray. Again many thanks for your responses.
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aghadowey
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Tradition Ulster Scots naming patter is eldest daughter after mother's mother, 2nd daughter after father's mother, next daughter after mother... but this was not always following.
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geniecolgan
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I have an update on Charles Colgan senior of Ardihannon due to the 1911 census for Ireland becoming available,
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/
and the recent records available on the LDS Pilot site,
http://www.rootschat.com/links/07e3/
Charles is on the 1911 census, age 93, suggesting he was born about 1818 but on his death registration in 1914, his age was given as 105. A 10 year difference.
I'm leaning toward the 1818 date myself.
Both Charles Colgan senior and junior gave their religion as Church Of Ireland so they were not Presbyterian and I don't think they were
Scotch/Irish as there had been Colgans in Ireland long before The Plantation.
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Colgan, Scott, Templeton in Northern Antrim
Colgan in Saskatchewan, Canada
Durrant in Herts & Middlesex
Ford,Smith in Hammersmith, Fulham, Brentford
Whiting in Berkshire
Weller in Sussex and London
Walker in the 24th of Foot, (Canada, Ireland, India and South Africa) and London
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geniecolgan
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danadavkins,
there is a Black family tree on Ancestry.
It has James, Sallie and Hugh Black.
Is that yours?
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Colgan, Scott, Templeton in Northern Antrim
Colgan in Saskatchewan, Canada
Durrant in Herts & Middlesex
Ford,Smith in Hammersmith, Fulham, Brentford
Whiting in Berkshire
Weller in Sussex and London
Walker in the 24th of Foot, (Canada, Ireland, India and South Africa) and London
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danadavkins
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Sarah Colgan Black from Ardihannon (1830/32-1880) was also known as Sarah McKinley Colgan. McKinley might be her mother's maiden name and with Sarah's daughters being Rachel and Anna, looking for a Rachel or Anna McKinley might be a worthwhile search, possibly resulting in the name of Hugh Colgan's wife and then giving you your 3rd grt grandmother's name. One of my family notes records the marriage as 1820 in Coleraine. I've yet to find the source for this.
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danadavkins
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The other witness for the James Black, Sarah Colgan Coleraine marriage was a Henrietta Ward, a name totally unknown to me. While the other witness, Hugh Colgan, was obviously related, I'm wondering if this lady might have just been an employee at the Coleraine Registrar's office or some kind of local official who just filled in to meet the requirements of a 2nd witness. Was the couple required to provide their own witnesses? Although Ward may be a fairly common Northern Ireland(Scotch?) surname, my recent search for the name Henrietta Ward produced only about 2 hits on the Irish History Foundation site and they were not in County Antrim and seemingly quite a distance from Coleraine. Perhaps such a rare name will be an advantage.
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aghadowey
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Couple would have had to supply there own witnesses as far as I know.
This might help track down Henrietta Ward:
25 June, Portrush (Church of Ireland?), Charles Williams of Coleraine and London married to Georgiana Goold Ward, grand-daughter of Thomas Black of Portrush.
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