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Shepherd
« on: Monday 08 January 07 23:32 GMT (UK) »

Is Shepherd the same as Souttar in Scotland

William Watson born 1836 at Longside  Huh Huh Huh

This is the same William  married to my Elonor Munro 1859
Pitsligo


On their marriage certificate his mother is Elizabeth Shepherd on Family Search his mother is Elizabeth Souttar

Just wondered if it was the same person
Confused Elizabeth Huh Huh
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Re: Shepherd
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 09 January 07 17:57 GMT (UK) »

My initial thought was a transcription error on FamilySearch, but the names are not really similar enough and I see that ScotlandsPeople has her as Souttar on the OPR Birth Index too. (SP are a bit more reliable I think)

Was Elizabeth dead by the time of her son's marriage? Can you find a death record for her (if after 1855). What about his father? Can you find a death record for him. On it, it will normally list his spouse and her maiden name.
William's death record will also give his parents names (including mother's maiden name). Check the informant column as well - I've been lucky in the past where an aunt has been the informant and provided another surname clue.

In the 1841 census it looks like your William, age 5, is living as a lodger with James Cramond and his wife Isabella Murray (who married on 29 April 1827 at Longside). I always wonder in those instances - why is he living with them, could his mother have died?

Are you sure that William's parents were married? It could be that she was Souttar at the time of his birth, and was later known as Shepherd (possibly after marriage?)

You could also try looking in later census records to see if William is living with other maternal relations who may have Shepherd or Souttar surnames.

You've maybe tried all these already and still got nowhere!

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Gary







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Re: Shepherd
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 09 January 07 18:24 GMT (UK) »

Hi Gary,
I have only started on this side of my family and some are helping me on another thread

On Williams marriage certificate to Elonor Munro I have is
Mother Elizabeth Shepherd Deceased  his father William is alive and a crofter this is in June 1859 William is 23 from St Furgus and I have looked at the map and Longside is near

Have a look on the other thread and you will see William was with James Cramon at the age of 5

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Watsons and Munro's

you will see I am having help from other RC members

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Re: Shepherd
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 09 January 07 18:33 GMT (UK) »

Gary ,
I have gone back into family search and Williams Christening was 28.5.1836
father William mother Elizabeth Souttar

I just thought this could be my William

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Re: Shepherd
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 09 January 07 18:48 GMT (UK) »

Gary ,
I have gone back into family search and Williams Christening was 28.5.1836
father William mother Elizabeth Souttar

I just thought this could be my William

Elizabeth

forgot to say William died 2.4 1910 fraserburgh
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