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Re: W3C website validation ... discussion
« Reply #15 on: Saturday 13 January 07 19:22 GMT (UK) »

The banner which says the space is supplied by Rootschat doesn't conform to W3C regulations (for XHTML anyway). This brings up problems when using KStableau to create trees as that uses a stylesheet and applies it to all the tables on the entire page. This style is also applied to the Rootschat bit at the bottom and makes it a strange shape.

I think apart from the tree on my site, which is done using PHPGedView, all of it conforms to W3C regulations. The only limitation is the bits added onto the code by Rootschat, which throw up errors. For example there's <p> but no </p> and it's added after </html>. Firefox says my page has 6 errors (all from the added bits, although 3 of those are for saying the other 3 have been added after </body>).


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« Reply #16 on: Saturday 13 January 07 20:34 GMT (UK) »

I suppose it is worth pointing out that one should also validate the CSS code that goes with the HTML code.

http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/

I've been puzzled for a while as to why Firefox 2.x was unable to display a particular page on my site. I validated the HTML, JavaScript and CSS but the page just displayed the Title and background colour. I finally discovered why today, it didn't like the following item highlighted in my CSS file:

.emTableLeft { border-color: black;
    display: table-column-group;
     border-right: solid;
     border-bottom: solid;
     background-color: white;
     width: 280px;
     padding-left: 1%;
     position: relative;
     left: 175px;
}

I commented that line out and magically Firefox dispalyed the whole page content. It's a historic moment as I've been unable to get any browser except I.E. to render that particular page correctly. Now, Firefox can display the whole site correctly.

Conclusion: having a certain line in your cascading stylesheet file can prove fatal to some browsers.

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« Reply #17 on: Saturday 13 January 07 21:35 GMT (UK) »

I'm glad you boffins understand it - cos I don't, and I'm not entirely sure I need to. But if you are doing different types of site then it will no doubt be important.

Just in case people are getting worried, I've tried a few sites out on the W3C validator -

http://www.google.co.uk/webhp - 49 errors

http://www.bbc.co.uk/ - 37 errors

http://www.amazon.co.uk/ - 950 errors

http://uk.msn.com/ - 1 error [goodie goodies Roll Eyes

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http://www.ancestry.co.uk/ - 94 errors

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/genesreunited.asp - 71 errors

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php - 54 errors

Just in case you are wondering http://validator.w3.org/ passed. As did Wikipedia.

I think the above puts the "error" rates for RootsChat FH sites into perspective. Cool

I could play with this all day Wink

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Re: W3C website validation ... discussion
« Reply #18 on: Saturday 13 January 07 21:38 GMT (UK) »

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Conclusion: having a certain line in your cascading stylesheet file can prove fatal to some browsers

Unless it is IE 5 6 7..... isn't that right, Berlin-Bob? Roll Eyes

I must admit that reading this thread has encouraged my to open W3C, sitting in my favorites for months, and check my site, here. The pages worked but I had had a little problem viewing in FireFox a while back that I had already corrected. Over 100 errors to start with on each page but 20 not from my coding and the rest, 99.9% old style coding that I had not brought up to date.

Conclusion, I won't mend future pages unless I cannot read them anymore.

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Re: W3C website validation ... discussion
« Reply #19 on: Saturday 13 January 07 21:48 GMT (UK) »

Quote from: julianb on Saturday 13 January 07 21:35 GMT (UK)

I think the above puts the "error" rates for RootsChat FH sites into perspective. Cool

I could play with this all day Wink

JULIAN

My goodness 950 errors and to think amazon is my favourite shopping site!!!!!! Shocked

Will it stop me shopping there, - I think not!!!!

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« Reply #20 on: Saturday 13 January 07 21:49 GMT (UK) »

www.familysearch.org is doing well it has, at 18, one less error than my home page.

I'm a bit worried about amazon and ancestry though Roll Eyes

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« Reply #21 on: Saturday 13 January 07 21:55 GMT (UK) »

Quote from: Gadget on Saturday 13 January 07 21:49 GMT (UK)

www.familysearch.org is doing well it has, at 18, one less error than my home page.

Gadget - you beat me by 1 Cry

. My home page has 20 errors.

Quote from: Gadget on Saturday 13 January 07 21:49 GMT (UK)

I'm a bit worried about amazon and ancestry though Roll Eyes

Don't worry about them. They'll only get worried if they lose business from a W3C non-compliant site. I can think of a lot of other ways they are more likely to lose business, eg bad navigation and site layout, not delivering goods to the customer, insecure site etc

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« Reply #22 on: Saturday 13 January 07 22:05 GMT (UK) »

The ultimate -

Microsoft - 5 errors - failed Shocked

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« Reply #23 on: Saturday 13 January 07 22:06 GMT (UK) »

So who's going to email all these websites to let them know then? Huh

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« Reply #24 on: Saturday 13 January 07 22:18 GMT (UK) »

My AOL home page has 118 errors!!
The National Archives has 16!!

Believe it or not::

http://www.number10.gov.uk/output/Page1.asp

Passed Validation!! Roll Eyes


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« Reply #25 on: Saturday 13 January 07 22:25 GMT (UK) »

Quote from: Pels. on Saturday 13 January 07 22:18 GMT (UK)

Believe it or not::

http://www.number10.gov.uk/output/Page1.asp

Passed Validation!! Roll Eyes

But ...

http://www.whitehouse.gov/president/

had 13 errors.

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« Reply #26 on: Saturday 13 January 07 22:28 GMT (UK) »

Julian - we beat them!!

It's a national disgrace!!

http://www.royal.gov.uk/output/Page1.asp

Failed validation - 36 errors!!

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« Reply #27 on: Saturday 13 January 07 22:30 GMT (UK) »

Well my ISP homepage - http://www.orange.co.uk/

has 458 errors

Nowwhy doesn't that surprise me!!!

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« Reply #28 on: Saturday 13 January 07 22:42 GMT (UK) »

So anyone with NOF - how do you get into the HTML so that I can start correcting my website??

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« Reply #29 on: Saturday 13 January 07 22:55 GMT (UK) »

Quote from: kerryb on Saturday 13 January 07 22:42 GMT (UK)

So anyone with NOF - how do you get into the HTML so that I can start correcting my website??

Kerry

I guess you'd have to work from the html pages it produces, and open them up in notepad to edit them.

But back to the serious stuff. The governemnt sites of Canada, Australia and New Zealand have passed validation with flying colours.

http://www.direct.gov.uk/homepage/fs/en - 1 error

[url]http://www.usa.gov/[/url] - 24 errors

So why is it the USA government's not so good?

More interesting though is:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/ -217 errors

http://stores.ebay.co.uk/The-Fridge-Magnet-Magnate - 312 errors

Paul E - account for this Shocked


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