Welcome, Guest. Please login or register for free.
Did you miss your activation email?
Wednesday 07 January 09 18:50 GMT (UK)
Welcome Home Help Shop Search Calendar Login Register
Search Images 

Online
 
  First Name(s)

Last Name

 
News: Ad: New! FULL 1841 Census: England - Isle of Man - Wales  - Channel Islands Now online. No missing counties.

+  RootsChat.Com
|-+  General
| |-+  Travelling People
| | |-+  Stage People and the Census
« previous next »
Pages: [1] Print
Author Topic: Stage People and the Census  (Read 469 times)
Tephra
RootsChat Aristocrat
******
Offline Offline

Posts: 2334


Gonna Be Bad This Year!!!


Stage People and the Census
« on: Sunday 14 January 07 09:54 GMT (UK) »



Could anyone tell me if the census recorded individuals at the theatre they were playing in?  How did they go on if they were en route to another venue??

Thanks for your help

Barbara                      Cool
Logged

Onley/Only/Olney In Islington.
Abbott In Islington
Wallwork In Bolton and Walkden
Lamb In Bolton and Ireland
Grundy In Bolton
Blackledge In Bolton
Osbaldeston  ?? ??
Barnett in Islington
Binyon in Islington
Kitchen in Bolton
Parker in Bolton
Arranroots
Global Moderator
RootsChat Marquessate
*******
Online Online

Posts: 9807



Re: Stage People and the Census
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 14 January 07 10:19 GMT (UK) »

Hi Barbara

The census recorded all those who spent the night of the census in a particular household, including lodgings or hotels.

The problem with actors tends to be whether they gave their real or stage names!

Those is transit should still be recorded.  I have seen some establishments where they gave scant, or no, detail for their overnight guests however.  Some just say "male, approx 40" with no name or place of birth.

Is there anyone in particular that you are looking for?

kind regards, Arranroots  Wink



Logged

Census Information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
SOM: BIRD, BURT aka BROWN
HEF: BAUGH, LATHAM, CARTER, PRITCHARD
GLS: WEBB, WORKMAN, LATHAM, MALPUS
WIL: WEBB, SALTER
RAD: PRITCHARD, WILLIAMS
GLA: RYAN, KEARNEY, JONES, HARRY
MON: WEBB, MORGAN, WILLIAMS, JONES, BIRD
SCOTLAND: HASTINGS, CAMERON, KELSO, BUCHANAN, BETHUNE/ BEATON
IRELAND: RYAN (WATERFORD), KEARNEY (DUBLIN), BOYLE(DUNDALK)
Tephra
RootsChat Aristocrat
******
Offline Offline

Posts: 2334


Gonna Be Bad This Year!!!


Re: Stage People and the Census
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 14 January 07 10:30 GMT (UK) »





Hi Arranroots

It's the same old same old - Ernest Onley.   He drives me nuts.   He joined up with a theatre group (unknown) at a very young age, where he met up with and eventually married Nellie Kitchen who was also on the stage - but I (still) can't find him anywhere.   I'm practically grasping at straws here    Cheesy

Thanks for your help

Barbara

Logged

Onley/Only/Olney In Islington.
Abbott In Islington
Wallwork In Bolton and Walkden
Lamb In Bolton and Ireland
Grundy In Bolton
Blackledge In Bolton
Osbaldeston  ?? ??
Barnett in Islington
Binyon in Islington
Kitchen in Bolton
Parker in Bolton
Christopher
RootsChat Marquessate
********
Online Online

Posts: 10648


St Patrick's Night at Bunratty.


WWW
Re: Stage People and the Census
« Reply #3 on: Friday 01 June 07 21:44 BST (UK) »

Hi Barbara

The census recorded all those who spent the night of the census in a particular household, including lodgings or hotels.

The problem with actors tends to be whether they gave their real or stage names!

Those is transit should still be recorded.  I have seen some establishments where they gave scant, or no, detail for their overnight guests however.  Some just say "male, approx 40" with no name or place of birth.

Is there anyone in particular that you are looking for?

kind regards, Arranroots  Wink


I think there's a small problem in what you say, Arranroots. Would all stage people have stayed in lodgings?
Did quite a large number of travelling performers not stay in caravans ... either drawn by a horse or towed
by a motor vehicle?

Christopher 
Logged

Ireland - Antrim, Belfast, Down, Dublin & Galway
England - Devon and Lancashire
Norway
Seafarers
Arranroots
Global Moderator
RootsChat Marquessate
*******
Online Online

Posts: 9807



Re: Stage People and the Census
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 02 June 07 08:19 BST (UK) »

I am sorry you have a problem Christopher!  Wink Grin

I have seen tents and caravans recorded, but didn't include every last possibility in my reply to Barbara - I hope she understood my meaning, though!

Looking at Barbara's previous threads, it seems Ernest was last sighted in the London area, so maybe a lodging house or hotel is more likely, but as always, leave no stone unturned!

Not sure whether he has been found yet or not, but the best of RC minds have addressed the problem, judging from the other threads about him!

kind regards, Arranroots  Wink

Logged

Census Information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
SOM: BIRD, BURT aka BROWN
HEF: BAUGH, LATHAM, CARTER, PRITCHARD
GLS: WEBB, WORKMAN, LATHAM, MALPUS
WIL: WEBB, SALTER
RAD: PRITCHARD, WILLIAMS
GLA: RYAN, KEARNEY, JONES, HARRY
MON: WEBB, MORGAN, WILLIAMS, JONES, BIRD
SCOTLAND: HASTINGS, CAMERON, KELSO, BUCHANAN, BETHUNE/ BEATON
IRELAND: RYAN (WATERFORD), KEARNEY (DUBLIN), BOYLE(DUNDALK)
Christopher
RootsChat Marquessate
********
Online Online

Posts: 10648


St Patrick's Night at Bunratty.


WWW
Re: Stage People and the Census
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 02 June 07 08:24 BST (UK) »

Thanks Arranroots,
Has a check been done on the out of work actors on park benches  Huh

Christopher



Logged

Ireland - Antrim, Belfast, Down, Dublin & Galway
England - Devon and Lancashire
Norway
Seafarers
Arranroots
Global Moderator
RootsChat Marquessate
*******
Online Online

Posts: 9807



Re: Stage People and the Census
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 02 June 07 08:26 BST (UK) »

Thanks Arranroots,
Has a check been done on the out of work actors on park benches  Huh

Christopher





Now there's a question!

I guess we would have to ask the enumerators, and I see a small issue with that...

 Wink Grin

Logged

Census Information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
SOM: BIRD, BURT aka BROWN
HEF: BAUGH, LATHAM, CARTER, PRITCHARD
GLS: WEBB, WORKMAN, LATHAM, MALPUS
WIL: WEBB, SALTER
RAD: PRITCHARD, WILLIAMS
GLA: RYAN, KEARNEY, JONES, HARRY
MON: WEBB, MORGAN, WILLIAMS, JONES, BIRD
SCOTLAND: HASTINGS, CAMERON, KELSO, BUCHANAN, BETHUNE/ BEATON
IRELAND: RYAN (WATERFORD), KEARNEY (DUBLIN), BOYLE(DUNDALK)
Tephra
RootsChat Aristocrat
******
Offline Offline

Posts: 2334


Gonna Be Bad This Year!!!


Re: Stage People and the Census
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 02 June 07 14:06 BST (UK) »




Hi Arranroots and Christopher

Park benches ................... hmmmmmmmm, I did ask about vagrants on street corners and it seems even they were counted .. . so no luck there!!

Ernest is still missing and I'm guessing he will remain one of life's mysteries, but one can hope ..     Grin Grin Grin
Logged

Onley/Only/Olney In Islington.
Abbott In Islington
Wallwork In Bolton and Walkden
Lamb In Bolton and Ireland
Grundy In Bolton
Blackledge In Bolton
Osbaldeston  ?? ??
Barnett in Islington
Binyon in Islington
Kitchen in Bolton
Parker in Bolton
Rachel Bowen
RootsChat Extra
**
Offline Offline

Posts: 36



Re: Stage People and the Census
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 24 October 07 11:24 BST (UK) »

Hello, I don't know anything about your 'search', but this might be useful.
My Great Grandmother kept a boarding house for stage people in Liverpool. We have photographs of some of her boarders who became friends of the family, being photographed at my father's and his twin's christening.
I know their names, Dickie and Poppy Douglas. I therefore searched censuses 1901 and before, and found them in various parts of the country.
So do a general search, not putting down any place or country.
I know that is easier with people who had more unusual names - Jones etc is too difficult.
Sincerely, Rachel Bowen
Logged
Tephra
RootsChat Aristocrat
******
Offline Offline

Posts: 2334


Gonna Be Bad This Year!!!


Re: Stage People and the Census
« Reply #9 on: Wednesday 24 October 07 11:29 BST (UK) »




Thanks for the information Rachel .......... I do believe we've searched every nook and cranny for Ernest and he is still in hiding.   The good people of Rootschat also did a search and rescue and he still remains somewhere in Limbo.

One of these days .............      Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


Barbara
Logged

Onley/Only/Olney In Islington.
Abbott In Islington
Wallwork In Bolton and Walkden
Lamb In Bolton and Ireland
Grundy In Bolton
Blackledge In Bolton
Osbaldeston  ?? ??
Barnett in Islington
Binyon in Islington
Kitchen in Bolton
Parker in Bolton
Pages: [1] Print 
« previous next »


[Copyright] [Free RootsChat Webspace] [Your Surname Interests] [Shrink Link] [About Us] [Terms of Use]
All Census Lookups are Crown Copyright, National Archives for academic and non-commercial research purposes only
RootsChat.com cannot be held responsible directly or indirectly for the messages or content posted by others. Inline images in messages are the copyright of the respective linked sites.
RootsChat.com, Europa House, Bury, Lancashire, BL9 5BT
0.137:21